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Warning: TLDR here.
Today: [US NHB Scene]
MYTH: Them Gracies were duckin´ all the 'killers' @ UFC 1.
Note: this thread can be seen as an extension of these ones:
CONTEXT:
Them Gracies had their agenda, for sure, but they were the frontrunners of a bigger master plan:
build a market in the [perceived] best base for a NHB expansion, the American market.
CHRONOLOGY:
UFC 1 was the logical progression from the [Modern] Vale Tudo Scene, since the 1970s:
BJJ vs Karate Challenge > Hickson vs Rei Zulu 1 & 2 > BJJ vs Luta Livre Challenge 1 > BJJ vs Luta Livre Challenge 2 > UFC 1.
Hence, they had to adapt their marketing plan to the reality of the American market, which, unlike the Brazilian or the Japanese one, had zero knowledge of NHB [& ground game].
The audience & the TV dudes had some expectations and had their head full of myths about traditional disciplines [kung fu,karate,kenpo,boxing] being the dominant ones.
That´s why the tournament spots HAD to be filled with these "flashy" dudes, not with wrestlers or sambo dudes, both unknown to the American audience.
They chose the ones available & affordable, and close to the area.. It was a completly rookie org.
UFC 1´s Roster:
Kevin Rosier [Kickboxing, Boxing]
Zane Frazier [Kenpo, Karate, Kickboxing]
Gerard Gordeau [Karate, Kickboxing & Savate]
Teila Tuli [Sumo Wrestler]
Art Jimmerson [Boxing]
Patrick Smith [Kickboxing, Karate]
Ken Shamrock [Shootfighting]
Alternate bout:
Jason DeLucia [Kung Fu, Taekwondo, Aikido]
Trent Jenkins [Kickboxing]
I] STYLES:
1/ [Legit] Boxers:
They had to put one boxer at least, but no elite/famous boxer would join for peanuts.
Art Davie/Rorion wanted:
Mike Tyson
Mark Gastineau
Mitch Green
Randall Cobb
> All way too expensive for a rookie Org.
2/ Eastern European Sambo Fighters/Wrestlers:
The world was slowly witnessin´the end of the Cold War, but visas were still hard to obtain (even today)...
Davie wanted:
Aleksandr Karelin.
> Way too expensive & Not realistic.
This clearly shows that Art Davie was truly the one in charge of the draft, not Horion, since he would have had to swallow his pride & draft Hickson:
Later, they could reach a guy like Taktarov, not because they flew to Russia, but coz Oleg was already in the US as he wanted to become an actor.
3/ Brazilians / Luta Livre fighters:
1st of all, there was already a fighter with a similar skill set in the roster (Ken), since Luta Livre at that time was a Brazilian version of Catch Wrestling, with more emphasis on striking (MT).
At that time, the biggest names were:
> Eugenio Tadeu (who was realistically a LW...fought Hoyler & Henzo in Brazil)
> Hugo Duarte [LHW/HW], Hickson´s enemy.
> Marco Huas [LHW/HW], Hickson´s rival.
Historically, Huas could have been the logical choice, but them Gracies would have realistically thrown Hickson in the cage.
Huas himself acknowledged that they owed him nothing, him being a Luta Livre dude.
Would be like the Rockets helpin´ the Spurs to enter the Chinese market after the Yao Ming episode...
It´s worth noting that a Hickson vs Huas match-up at that time woudnt have been a sound idea, since you´re lookin´ at a chess match, a potential 60-90 mns affair, mostly in the guard, and the American audience was obviously not ready for that.
[see Huas vs Pinduka in 1984]:
4/ Western Europeans:
Davie wanted:
Peter Aerts > Too expensive
Ernesto Hoost > Not available, they got Gordeau from the same gym.
Guys like Bas were still too raw, learning the [ground] game in Pancrase...
5/ Japan:
They opted for Teila Tuli [sumo wrestler]: obviously the weakest link in this roster (Tuli´s not even Japanese...)
Even if they could have hired Funaki or Suzuki, this type of skill set was already included in the roster [Ken]...
Besides, they didnt have the time/knowledge/$$$ to scout properly the Japanese scene....imo...
II] Who´s The Boss?: Horion or Art?
In Art Davie´s book ['Is It Legal?'], which recalls the whole process, one can aknowledge...
...that Horion was quite arrogant, and didnt really care about other TMAs.
From Hoyce´s side, he was a kid, willin´2 face anybody, careless [see the episode at his gym, b4 UFC 1, when he rolled with Nick Baturin [sambo])
In the book, ya can acknowledge that it´s Davie, not Horion, who had all the contacts in the American scene & did all the scoutin´.
CONCLUSION:
> UFC 1 was an experiment. Still a rookie Org.
> UFC couldnt afford the biggest names.
> At the beginning, was more important to build a market/capture the audience, than to look for high level matches.
Today: [US NHB Scene]
MYTH: Them Gracies were duckin´ all the 'killers' @ UFC 1.
Note: this thread can be seen as an extension of these ones:
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-35-the-samurai-the-missin´-link-in-bjj-evolution.3994271/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-1-hoyce-ufc-1.3734725/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...-part-9-bjj-during-the-vale-tudo-era.3826197/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-34-horion´s-choice-ufc-1.3984975/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/the-day-ufc-1-was-really-born-41.3964531/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-1-hoyce-ufc-1.3734725/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...-part-9-bjj-during-the-vale-tudo-era.3826197/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-34-horion´s-choice-ufc-1.3984975/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/the-day-ufc-1-was-really-born-41.3964531/
CONTEXT:
Them Gracies had their agenda, for sure, but they were the frontrunners of a bigger master plan:
build a market in the [perceived] best base for a NHB expansion, the American market.
CHRONOLOGY:
UFC 1 was the logical progression from the [Modern] Vale Tudo Scene, since the 1970s:
BJJ vs Karate Challenge > Hickson vs Rei Zulu 1 & 2 > BJJ vs Luta Livre Challenge 1 > BJJ vs Luta Livre Challenge 2 > UFC 1.
Hence, they had to adapt their marketing plan to the reality of the American market, which, unlike the Brazilian or the Japanese one, had zero knowledge of NHB [& ground game].
The audience & the TV dudes had some expectations and had their head full of myths about traditional disciplines [kung fu,karate,kenpo,boxing] being the dominant ones.
That´s why the tournament spots HAD to be filled with these "flashy" dudes, not with wrestlers or sambo dudes, both unknown to the American audience.
They chose the ones available & affordable, and close to the area.. It was a completly rookie org.
UFC 1´s Roster:
Kevin Rosier [Kickboxing, Boxing]
Zane Frazier [Kenpo, Karate, Kickboxing]
Gerard Gordeau [Karate, Kickboxing & Savate]
Teila Tuli [Sumo Wrestler]
Art Jimmerson [Boxing]
Patrick Smith [Kickboxing, Karate]
Ken Shamrock [Shootfighting]
Alternate bout:
Jason DeLucia [Kung Fu, Taekwondo, Aikido]
Trent Jenkins [Kickboxing]
I] STYLES:
1/ [Legit] Boxers:
They had to put one boxer at least, but no elite/famous boxer would join for peanuts.
Art Davie/Rorion wanted:
Mike Tyson
Mark Gastineau
Mitch Green
Randall Cobb
> All way too expensive for a rookie Org.
2/ Eastern European Sambo Fighters/Wrestlers:
The world was slowly witnessin´the end of the Cold War, but visas were still hard to obtain (even today)...
Davie wanted:
Aleksandr Karelin.
> Way too expensive & Not realistic.
> Sean Wheelock :
"In the book that I co-wrote with UFC founder and Hall of Famer Art Davie about his launching the UFC, we recounted Art’s unsuccessful attempt to recruit Karelin for UFC 1 due to the byzantine politics of post-Soviet Russia at that time. Art could never even get a contact of a contact of a representative of an associate of Karelin, let alone reach the great man himself.
But even after the first UFC, Art persisted in his quest, which caused his business partner and fellow UFC co-owner of the time Rorion Gracie, genuine concern.
What is not in our book, but what Art has told me, is that Rorion confided in him that if Karelin did sign with the UFC, Rorion would replace Royce with the real family champion, Rickson.
The respect was that great for Karelin within the Gracie Family."
"In the book that I co-wrote with UFC founder and Hall of Famer Art Davie about his launching the UFC, we recounted Art’s unsuccessful attempt to recruit Karelin for UFC 1 due to the byzantine politics of post-Soviet Russia at that time. Art could never even get a contact of a contact of a representative of an associate of Karelin, let alone reach the great man himself.
But even after the first UFC, Art persisted in his quest, which caused his business partner and fellow UFC co-owner of the time Rorion Gracie, genuine concern.
What is not in our book, but what Art has told me, is that Rorion confided in him that if Karelin did sign with the UFC, Rorion would replace Royce with the real family champion, Rickson.
The respect was that great for Karelin within the Gracie Family."
This clearly shows that Art Davie was truly the one in charge of the draft, not Horion, since he would have had to swallow his pride & draft Hickson:
Later, they could reach a guy like Taktarov, not because they flew to Russia, but coz Oleg was already in the US as he wanted to become an actor.
A few months b4 UFC 1, Hoyce accepted (actually requested it) to roll with Nick Baturin [sambo], who also rolled with Hickson by the way..
Seems it was a good contest, accordin´ to Nick...had him in tight heel hools, but Hoyce wouldnt tap...
Art Davie´s book [Is It Legal?] shows that Hoyce was actually like a 'kid', eager to face anybody, anywhere..
Seems it was a good contest, accordin´ to Nick...had him in tight heel hools, but Hoyce wouldnt tap...
Art Davie´s book [Is It Legal?] shows that Hoyce was actually like a 'kid', eager to face anybody, anywhere..
3/ Brazilians / Luta Livre fighters:
1st of all, there was already a fighter with a similar skill set in the roster (Ken), since Luta Livre at that time was a Brazilian version of Catch Wrestling, with more emphasis on striking (MT).
At that time, the biggest names were:
> Eugenio Tadeu (who was realistically a LW...fought Hoyler & Henzo in Brazil)
> Hugo Duarte [LHW/HW], Hickson´s enemy.
> Marco Huas [LHW/HW], Hickson´s rival.
Historically, Huas could have been the logical choice, but them Gracies would have realistically thrown Hickson in the cage.
Huas himself acknowledged that they owed him nothing, him being a Luta Livre dude.
Would be like the Rockets helpin´ the Spurs to enter the Chinese market after the Yao Ming episode...
It´s worth noting that a Hickson vs Huas match-up at that time woudnt have been a sound idea, since you´re lookin´ at a chess match, a potential 60-90 mns affair, mostly in the guard, and the American audience was obviously not ready for that.
[see Huas vs Pinduka in 1984]:
4/ Western Europeans:
Davie wanted:
Peter Aerts > Too expensive
Ernesto Hoost > Not available, they got Gordeau from the same gym.
Guys like Bas were still too raw, learning the [ground] game in Pancrase...
5/ Japan:
They opted for Teila Tuli [sumo wrestler]: obviously the weakest link in this roster (Tuli´s not even Japanese...)
Even if they could have hired Funaki or Suzuki, this type of skill set was already included in the roster [Ken]...
Besides, they didnt have the time/knowledge/$$$ to scout properly the Japanese scene....imo...
II] Who´s The Boss?: Horion or Art?
In Art Davie´s book ['Is It Legal?'], which recalls the whole process, one can aknowledge...
" As dismissive as the Gracies were of all other fighting styles, I knew that Rorion took Shamrock very seriously, and felt that he could be his brother’s toughest opponent. He didn’t tell me much about Royce’s week of training in their
Executive Tower Inn hotel suite, but Rorion did say that Rickson had special drills that he was putting Royce through, so as to be ready for Shamrock"
Executive Tower Inn hotel suite, but Rorion did say that Rickson had special drills that he was putting Royce through, so as to be ready for Shamrock"
...that Horion was quite arrogant, and didnt really care about other TMAs.
"I wondered to myself what Rorion would have said if I told him that I wanted someone from a rival
Brazilian jiu-jitsu lineage in the field of 16 fighters.
I didn’t dare, but I had no doubt Rorion would have dismissed their style as worthless as well. Such was the self-confidence that surrounded the mystique of the unbeatable Gracies."
Brazilian jiu-jitsu lineage in the field of 16 fighters.
I didn’t dare, but I had no doubt Rorion would have dismissed their style as worthless as well. Such was the self-confidence that surrounded the mystique of the unbeatable Gracies."
From Hoyce´s side, he was a kid, willin´2 face anybody, careless [see the episode at his gym, b4 UFC 1, when he rolled with Nick Baturin [sambo])
In the book, ya can acknowledge that it´s Davie, not Horion, who had all the contacts in the American scene & did all the scoutin´.
"I wasn’t sure how a sumo wrestler would do in a real fight, but the sheer audacity of putting one in the tournament got to me. When I ran the idea by Rorion, he didn’t know what to make of
it, but said, “Hey, the old man grappled to a draw with Wladek Zbyszko (the famous Polish strongman and wrestler). He weighed 280 lb. So, why not?”
"I realized more than ever that my job was to get the best of the best, provided they didn’t live in the financial stratosphere"
"... keep Rorion updated at our weekly Friday meetings on what fighters I had signed or
was pursuing. His attitude was always the same:
“Whatever you think Arturo.”
"Another boxing trainer told me, “No rated heavyweight is going to waste his time on that shit.”
, even though I didn’t say this to Rorion.
I simply had to have a boxer.
Thinking al in connecting me with various heavyweight boxers.
Cruiserweights are forever stuck in a boxing financial dead zone, as they’re seen as not as fast and
exciting as the smaller guys and not as powerful and awesome as the heavyweights. So you could
have a great career in this weight class, and still not reap the rewards of fame and fortune. And this was Jimmerson in a nutshell. His record was 29-5, he was on a 15-fight winning streak, a
legit top-10 cruiserweight."
"Between his Olympic triumphs, Karelin had captured three straight world championships. But
penetrating the bureaucracy of Russia to bring their sports hero to Denver seemed about
as likely as getting Tyson an early release from prison just so he could fight for us."
"I figured fuck it; I have Shamrock, and while he’s not a straight wrestler, the guy
knows how to grapple. So, I moved on."
it, but said, “Hey, the old man grappled to a draw with Wladek Zbyszko (the famous Polish strongman and wrestler). He weighed 280 lb. So, why not?”
"I realized more than ever that my job was to get the best of the best, provided they didn’t live in the financial stratosphere"
"... keep Rorion updated at our weekly Friday meetings on what fighters I had signed or
was pursuing. His attitude was always the same:
“Whatever you think Arturo.”
"Another boxing trainer told me, “No rated heavyweight is going to waste his time on that shit.”
, even though I didn’t say this to Rorion.
I simply had to have a boxer.
Thinking al in connecting me with various heavyweight boxers.
Cruiserweights are forever stuck in a boxing financial dead zone, as they’re seen as not as fast and
exciting as the smaller guys and not as powerful and awesome as the heavyweights. So you could
have a great career in this weight class, and still not reap the rewards of fame and fortune. And this was Jimmerson in a nutshell. His record was 29-5, he was on a 15-fight winning streak, a
legit top-10 cruiserweight."
"Between his Olympic triumphs, Karelin had captured three straight world championships. But
penetrating the bureaucracy of Russia to bring their sports hero to Denver seemed about
as likely as getting Tyson an early release from prison just so he could fight for us."
"I figured fuck it; I have Shamrock, and while he’s not a straight wrestler, the guy
knows how to grapple. So, I moved on."
CONCLUSION:
> UFC 1 was an experiment. Still a rookie Org.
https://www.si.com/mma/2014/08/19/ufc-art-davie-gracies-legal
Legality aside, traditional martial artists initially were resistant to this mixing of martial art disciplines, right?
ART DAVIE:"Well, there was a groundswell of interest among some martial artists, among fans of films like Enter the Dragon, and among young people who were playing the Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter video games. But no one had ever pulled it off successfully. A guy in Hawaii named Tommy Lee ran two events that involved Muay Thai and you could do throws, and there was pinning on the ground. He didn’t do well financially.
There also were the impromptu matches, similar to the Gracie challenge. [Muhammad] Ali vs. [Antonio] Inoki in ’76. Gene LeBell vs. Milo Savage in ’63. They were disappointing."
Why was that?
ART DAVIE:"You try to get two martial artists together, in some sort of mixed match, and first they argue about the money, then they argue about the rules. There was a general feeling that these types of fights didn’t work. When I was looking for fighters for the first UFC, I called on 38 organizations, boxing gyms in Detroit and Philadelphia, gyms in Holland well known for Muay Thai, sumo organizations in Japan, and people’s first reaction was, are you casting for a film? No, no, I told them, this is a real event."
Legality aside, traditional martial artists initially were resistant to this mixing of martial art disciplines, right?
ART DAVIE:"Well, there was a groundswell of interest among some martial artists, among fans of films like Enter the Dragon, and among young people who were playing the Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter video games. But no one had ever pulled it off successfully. A guy in Hawaii named Tommy Lee ran two events that involved Muay Thai and you could do throws, and there was pinning on the ground. He didn’t do well financially.
There also were the impromptu matches, similar to the Gracie challenge. [Muhammad] Ali vs. [Antonio] Inoki in ’76. Gene LeBell vs. Milo Savage in ’63. They were disappointing."
Why was that?
ART DAVIE:"You try to get two martial artists together, in some sort of mixed match, and first they argue about the money, then they argue about the rules. There was a general feeling that these types of fights didn’t work. When I was looking for fighters for the first UFC, I called on 38 organizations, boxing gyms in Detroit and Philadelphia, gyms in Holland well known for Muay Thai, sumo organizations in Japan, and people’s first reaction was, are you casting for a film? No, no, I told them, this is a real event."
> UFC couldnt afford the biggest names.
> At the beginning, was more important to build a market/capture the audience, than to look for high level matches.
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