Dana Kicked Out Ariel Again And He's Being Ariel About It

[egk]

Exactly. My one complaint with him is saying "when they go low, we go high." That's such a passive aggressive thing to do and with a guy like Dana, you just need to be aggressive.

He's gotta have some dirt on Dana, open that can of worms and shit all over his life. When a man tries to prevent you from earning a living, you have to quit this holier than thou liberal speak and crush his soul.

You want aggressive? He should make Dana's mom a regular guest on his show.

 

[Zappa]

Good, he is more of a shit stirrer than a journalist...

That's the job of sports journalists so they have shit to talk about and keep their jobs

 

[Hater Hater]

I personally would not consider "grow up" to be an insult. You can perceive it any way you like, including being offended and insulted by it if you so choose.



So why single out Ariel? Where are the mob topics towards MMA media in general? Surely there's a reason for singling out Ariel, why do you think that is?



The only difference is it's a much bigger story. Other than that, it's the same as breaking any other fight announcement. It in no way effected the impact of the official announcement. In fact, when I see Ariel or anyone else break a story, I still wait for the official news for confirmation. I do take their word for it, but the official announcement is as equally important to me.



In the episode in which Ariel addresses this whole ordeal, he explains the history of "running it by Dana". You can go back and listen to it if you like. Dana told him at one point, if you have a story, run with it.

It's absolutely absurd to expect every member of the media to personally ask Dana "can I run this story?". That is insanity. What you are suggesting is that Dana controls all the media. Can you not see a problem with Dana running and controlling the media and controlling the narrative of the sport?

Dana alone does a lot of damage to fighters and MMA as a whole with his videos and opinions, and if every story or breaking news had to be run by him before being released, he personally would have full control of everything, and THAT IS WHAT HE WANTS. That's all this is about, is a power hungry man wanting to control everything. That's it. You, as a fan, are literally fellating Dana's massive ego with your perspective and views that align perfectly with his own.

And what happens when something doesn't go Dana's way? He makes it a target. Targets can be members of the media, or they can even be fighters under contract with the UFC itself, ala Jon Jones, DJ, Nunes, GSP.... the list goes on. There is a pattern, a consistent pattern, of what happens when Dana doesn't get his way, and we see it every single week. Please learn to recognize this pattern and then practice applying it to every news story in the MMA community/world. You will see it if you make the effort.

The other alternative to Dana controlling media, would be Ariel simply not reporting anything at all, and no longer having a job. "Dana, can I break this news that I've confirmed?", "No!". Then what? Ariel just gives up on reporting news? What are you suggesting exactly?

I am suggesting that Ariel use common sense when breaking a story. That is all. I agree that Dana has crossed the line when it comes to retaliation against the media (even though I don't have an example on the top of my head, Sherdog's ban after TUF leak was warranted). I certainly don't want every story to be run by Dana or get his approval. That said, we can't treat everything as black and white. People want a set rule that applies to every instance and that might not be possible. Situations are more complicated than the simplified abstractions of reality that people often debate.

In the Lesnar case, when Ariel learned that the deal was already made and yet nobody was talking about it, that should have been a clue that there was something planned. It's not like Lesnar was running a Reebok sweat shop or something. There was already talk of a big announcement during the upcoming UFC event. Ariel, before he released the information, should have thought it through. What are the chances the UFC is planning a big reveal? What are the effects of my actions? What should I do? That is his obligation. He could say "I am a reporter and say what I hear no matter what" and many would agree. However, in my opinion, his actions needlessly harmed what the UFC was trying to do, something that many fans would have enjoyed more of they did not know what was coming. The result is a net negative effect on the public (in my opinion). There was absolutely no upside and there was a downside.

Also, I am NOT defending any of Dana's actions. I am only speaking about Ariel and his mistake. However, I can see why Dana would rather not have the guy snooping around, especially if he has something planned. He has influence over who can be there and he used it.

 

[Hater Hater]

MMA's success is not based on surprises centered on fight announcements. It's about the fights themselves.

Lol. What a narrow minded opinion. Look at how many people complained about the format of the MayMac "press conferences". That should show you that the public has an interest in more than the fights themselves. The UFC puts out a massive amount of media content outside of the fights and they don't do it out of boredom. It's for the fans and many fans appreciate it. In return, the UFC gets more eyes on their product and revenue in return.

If you don't like the extra media, that's cool but don't assume everyone shares your opinion.

 

[Defeat Unknown]

when Ariel learned that the deal was already made and yet nobody was talking about it,

What do you mean by "nobody was talking about it"? Do you mean that no one else had yet broken the story? It wouldn't be breaking if everyone else was already talking about it.

I am suggesting that Ariel use common sense when breaking a story

We clearly have different understandings and interpretations of what common sense is. You think the story being broken was some unforgivable attack. I think it was a story being broken and nothing more.

If what Ariel had done was wrong, unethical, or unprofessional, someone would have challenged or spoken out against him during the whole ordeal. No one did. In fact, he received immense support from the media, MMA and mainstream, because most likely, there was nothing wrong with what he did.

I think that, no matter how many times you bring this up, how many years you hold on to it, and how deeply offfended and hurt you pretend to be by it, it will never change the fact and the reality that nothing wrong was done. He broke no rules. Unless you are Dana White, or unless you are someone who thinks fight announcements are akin to movie spoilers. Those are the only people who are offended by this.

Everyone else sees it for what it is and has moved on. There's really nothing to talk about. There's no issue. It is a conflict between Dana and Ariel, and as a fan of the sport, of Ariel, or of Dana, you should really not be upset or offended by what happened.

I understand why Dana was pissed, but holding on to personal grudges accomplishes nothing and only hurts his appearance. Trying to control the media will lead to nowhere. We've already determined this.

 

[Senzo Tanaka]

He knew the Brock story was going to cause fallout and he still went with it. He was told off the record Brock had signed and UFC was going to announce it later. He found another source that told him the same and since he had 2 sources, he ran the story.

He hid under the guise of journalism on why he did it. In reality, he just wanted to break a story and get clicks for MMA Fighting. He could have waited. Real journalism isn't ruining surprises. It's digging for truth and bringing stories out that need to be told.

He screwed the UFC and he's paying a price for it. Covering the UFC isn't a right. They are a private company and if they don't like you, you're out.

 

[Hater Hater]

Lol I think Haterhater is a ufc employee calling for press to censor itself for the sake of private corporations (no not for the sake of fans you goof).

Freedom of the press in the first amendment doesn't apply to private entities.. UFC does not owe Ariel shit. His access was at their discretion and he used it to fuck up their big reveal to get his own scoop.
If you fuck your source, you lose a source

Man, I am more of socialist than a capitalist. I believe the profit motivator has no place in the fundemental services that every citizen should have access to such as health care and law. I belief in more corporate regulation, not less. More to the point here, I also am a very big supporter of the rights of the press. HOWEVER, the press needs to be responsible and way the pros and cons of exercising their rights. They don't get a free pass if what they release only does more harm than good. I believe Ariel's actions were wrong in that instance and that instance only.

 

[Hater Hater]

What do you mean by "nobody was talking about it"? Do you mean that no one else had yet broken the story? It wouldn't be breaking if everyone else was already talking about it.


We clearly have different understandings and interpretations of what common sense is. You think the story being broken was some unforgivable attack. I think it was a story being broken and nothing more.

If what Ariel had done was wrong, unethical, or unprofessional, someone would have challenged or spoken out against him during the whole ordeal. No one did. In fact, he received immense support from the media, MMA and mainstream, because most likely, there was nothing wrong with what he did.

I think that, no matter how many times you bring this up, how many years you hold on to it, and how deeply offfended and hurt you pretend to be by it, it will never change the fact and the reality that nothing wrong was done. He broke no rules. Unless you are Dana White, or unless you are someone who thinks fight announcements are akin to movie spoilers. Those are the only people who are offended by this.

Everyone else sees it for what it is and has moved on. There's really nothing to talk about. There's no issue. It is a conflict between Dana and Ariel, and as a fan of the sport, of Ariel, or of Dana, you should really not be upset or offended by what happened.

I understand why Dana was pissed, but holding on to personal grudges accomplishes nothing and only hurts his appearance. Trying to control the media will lead to nowhere. We've already determined this.

I mean that Lesnar or Dana had not released it for weeks.

Dude, your projecting. Relax, seriously. I am not offended by his actions and not holding any grudge. You are the one who appears to be emotional about this. I am simply stating what's i believe on this highly debatable subject. Ariel had the right to do what he did, I am not arguing otherwise. I still believe his actions brought more harm than good in that one instance and that he is capable of learning that. On that same note, the UFC and Dana were also in their legal right to remove Ariel's press credentials, talk shit about him in public, use their influence to affect his career, and can continue to do so. That doesn't make any of that right though. There is a difference between having a right and doing right.

Also, this subject will be debated for sometime to come so, If you feel really frustrated with it maybe should learn to deal with others opinions on it or ignore these discussions in the future.

 

[TatooNU]

Man, I am more of socialist than a capitalist. I believe the profit motivator has no place in the fundemental services that every citizen should have access to such as health care and law. I belief in more corporate regulation, not less. More to the point here, I also am a very big supporter of the rights of the press. HOWEVER, the press needs to be responsible and way the pros and cons of exercising their rights. They don't get a free pass if what they release only does more harm than good. I believe Ariel's actions were wrong in that instance and that instance only.

Glad to see BILL CLINTON JOINED sherdog. That thing you with Cigars is disgusting

 

[ineverpost]

This event is not MMA. He has no connections, and there are much bigger organizations involved. Basically, he has no clout, and ESPN is glad to have him booted out of their way.

 

[Hater Hater]

Glad to see BILL CLINTON JOINED sherdog. That thing you with Cigars is disgusting

More of a Bernie Saunders guy. Big Ralph Nader fan as well.

Nader 2020 mother fuckers!!! Or Bernie!! or both!!!! If they are still alive.

 

[Defeat Unknown]

Dude, your projecting. Relax, seriously. I am not offended by his actions and not holding any grudge. You are the one who appears to be emotional about this. I am simply stating what's i believe on this highly debatable subject. Ariel had the right to do what he did, I am not arguing otherwise. I still believe his actions brought more harm than good in that one instance and that he is capable of learning that. On that same note, the UFC and Dana were also in their legal right to remove Ariel's press credentials, talk shit about him in public, use their influence to affect his career, and can continue to do so. That doesn't make any of that right though. There is a difference between having a right and doing right.

If you know it was wrong, immature and petty, then what exactly are you arguing for?

You say Ariel should admit his mistake, but you also state he had the right to report the story. You say he should use common sense, but if what he did wasn't wrong, what are you arguing for?

You say you aren't offended, but you said you were upset by the tweet and your experience was ruined. What are you arguing for?

I'm also not sure why you keep saying I'm insulting or attacking you or projecting. I go back and read my posts when you say that and find nothing beyond "grow up" and the use of the word "pretend".

 

[Roukas]

Are you aware of the fact Joanna was on The MMA Hour 2 days later to willingly discuss that matter? In fact, she openly says she had her manager contact Ariel to clarify it.



No timestamp needed. It's the first thing they talk about, and that video is Joanna's interview only.

I like reading through these Ariel hate topics, because people are upset by, and hold on to issues and subjects that are in no way something to be upset by, and are often clarified on his show soon after.

He made her cry bottom line. Joanna is a professional of course she's not gonna deny being on his show or try and make him feel even more guilty. Some topics are personal and shouldn't be brought up. Defending that shit u sound like a bigger scumbag then Ariel

 

[wrestler0602]

Alright, the dude can be a little pushy and annoying sometimes, but Dana goes hard on Ariel for some reason. Dana straight up can't tolerate Ariel, but he's not THAT bad

 

[Defeat Unknown]

He made her cry bottom line. Joanna is a professional of course she's not gonna deny being on his show or try and make him feel even more guilty. Some topics are personal and shouldn't be brought up. Defending that shit u sound like a bigger scumbag then Ariel

That's all that matters to you, is that a human being cried? You realize crying doesn't just mean sad, right? If you're older than 10 you should know that.

And despite being presented with more information, and the truth, from the person you are trying to defend, you'd rather just continue being angry at Ariel and the world?

Take pride in being an idiot. No one can stop you.

 

[DeJulez]

Fuck the Jew and Fuck the Mick
How bout that

 

[Seismic]

There's a certain irony that the people mocking Ariel for crying, say his ban is justified because 'wahhh he ruined our surprise'.

 

[TatooNU]

More of a Bernie Saunders guy. Big Ralph Nader fan as well.

Nader 2020 mother fuckers!!! Or Bernie!! or both!!!! If they are still alive.

When I see Bernie Sanders I think of Bernie from Weekend at Bernies

 

[JonJonesLines]

Ariel brought this on himself though in a way. He was happy to be in a war .. but now complains about it.

That's what I'm saying. I would ruin Dana White's life. You know he's Coke'd out, fucking strippers in Vegas. He would do fookin nothin other than what he already is doing.

I swear to be a journalist nowadays though you have to be a soft pussy. I like Ariel a lot more than Dana but he brought this on himself and he needs to either quit bitching or step on his throat.

 

[Roukas]

That's all that matters to you, is that a human being cried? You realize crying doesn't just mean sad, right? If you're older than 10 you should know that.

And despite being presented with more information, and the truth, from the person you are trying to defend, you'd rather just continue being angry at Ariel and the world?

Take pride in being an idiot. No one can stop you.

Ur weird bruh