Creating a diet based around avoiding Kidney Stones

[Aegon Spengler]

Hello you bunch of vegans

I have never posed in this area, and I never thought I would. But then I had a kidney stone and posted about it in the Mayberry, and a bunch of sherdoggers said they get them often. That shit is fucking terrifying. Passing that thing out of my dickhole was unbelievable and I never wanna deal with it again.

So I'm gonna change my diet. Gene Tunney the famous boxer gave me some advice in the Mayberry:

Spoiler

Potatoes, nuts, specific fruits and other vegetables (carrots, celery, grapefruit, etc.) are all high in oxalate and will increase the risk for oxalate calculi creation. Be mindful of what kind of milk you drink (try coconut) and cut out the sodium, caffeine, alcohol, and sugary drinks. Jogging may help with moving the stones through the ureter (ask your doctor).

You will either acclimate yourself with this new diet or continue to have kidney stones, potentially leading to renal function deterioration. I am not a medical doctor. Spinach is also high in oxalate. Red meat diet has also been observed in studies to increase renal calculi production.

Also I was told by a Shermod that tap water can mess with you re: the stones

Spoiler

How much tap water do you drink?

FACT #1: Hard water contains high levels of calcium, magnesium, and other minerals that get filtered into your home’s water system and drinking water.

FACT #2: When urine contains too much calcium or other crystal-forming minerals, our bodies are unable to dilute them; therefore, kidney stones can form.

FACT #3: Though hard water does have a higher calcium level than soft water, there is not enough evidence to prove hard water can cause kidney stones. In fact, most hard water does not contain high enough levels of minerals to be a danger to our health.

FACT #4: Some research has contended that if hard water contains extremely high levels of calcium and magnesium, it could play a bigger role in kidney stone formation compared to soft, filtered water.

FACT #5: Soft water involves the removal of common minerals found in hard water conditions

So I now want to build a diet specifically designed to avoid kidney stones. I will eat fucking acid before I deal with something like that again. So any legit advice from this section of Sherdog will be immensely appreciated by my pee-hole.

Right now the plan is:

Lots of eggs, skinless chicken, and iceberg lettuce. Low sodium tuna, I guess Brita filtered water, and sliced turkey for cold meats at lunch I was thinking should be OK.

Any other suggestions? And yes, I named the stone. I call it Mick Jagger.

Spoiler

 

[wufabufa]

See a nephrologist, listen to what they say, then adhere to their plan of care

 

[therealdope]

See a nephrologist, listen to what they say, then adhere to their plan of care

It would be a urologist, almost certainly.

 

[therealdope]

Low oxalate foods would be a good start. Also try regular intake of dandelion tea or capsules.

 

[MRT]

I think part of your dietary changes might depend on what kind of kidney stone you had or are prone to getting (there are several kinds)...but I agree with everyone saying to consult a urologist.

 

[William Huggins]

What's the kidney stone made of, it depends on that.........

 

[Jinx_AA]

Just avoid creatine …. It turns into creatinine which causes stones …. It gave me kidney stones 4 times before I finally quit it for good …. Been good ever since

 

[wufabufa]

Just avoid creatine …. It turns into creatinine which causes stones …. It gave me kidney stones 4 times before I finally quit it for good …. Been good ever since

Creatinine doesn't cause kidney stones. It's a byproduct of normal muscle/protein breakdown. There isn't very good evidence from what I've seen that shows dietary consumption of creatine leads to poor renal health. You sound a bit confused.


It's not even the cause of any kidney disease that I'm aware of, just a marker used to assess how well your kidneys are working. If you've got high creatinine levels and are otherwise healthy then something like a cystatin-C would show you if your kidneys are actually in rough shape.

 

[Jinx_AA]

Creatinine doesn't cause kidney stones. It's a byproduct of normal muscle/protein breakdown. There isn't very good evidence from what I've seen that shows dietary consumption of creatine leads to poor renal health. You sound a bit confused.


It's not even the cause of any kidney disease that I'm aware of, just a marker used to assess how well your kidneys are working. If you've got high creatinine levels and are otherwise healthy then something like a cystatin-C would show you if your kidneys are actually in rough shape.

hey man I’m not the multiple
Doctors …. I had to have them blasted and passed them in a straining container and tested for causes …. Everytime the hospital and doctors said creatine

I’m no doctor …. Just sharing my experience …. And I’m
Certainly not lying

 

[wufabufa]

hey man I’m not the multiple
Doctors …. I had to have them blasted and passed them in a straining container and tested for causes …. Everytime the hospital and doctors said creatine

I’m no doctor …. Just sharing my experience …. And I’m
Certainly not lying

I didn't call you a liar, just confused.

Can you point me to some literature that states as such? It's possible you misunderstood your doctors. It's true that people who form plenty of kidney stones often have elevated creatinine levels if their kidneys are filtering their blood properly, but again, that's not the root cause of kidney stones themselves, just a possible symptom of an underlying condition.

 

[ferrisjso]

I could swear Gene Tunney wad dead.

 

[Don Quixote]

I used to chug diet Mountain Dew and Mountain Dew zero. I know those had to be the primary cause of my kidney stone. I switched to water and juice and haven’t had a problem with the stones again.

 

[NoSmilez]

You have to collect the stone and bring it to the doctor. They will send it to a lab and figure out what it is made of. You can eliminate that particular substance from your diet. I think the best is just to drink a lot of water for the time being while you see a doctor..

See a specialist and get scanned. They will pew pew stones away if it's too big.

 

[soggyfist]

Right there with you Sherbro. No matter what I eat I get them. Had three surgeries so far cause they keep getting stuck in my ureter. To this day I'm pretty positive I haven't passed one naturally.

Make sure you drink water with lemon in it cause it helps prevent the bonding process for them to grow.

 

[Trainspotter]

Quit drinking stuff besides water and cut out processed food. Growing a larger penis would help with the passing of future stones as well so consider that.

 

[Bry]

I have had the pleasure of passing a couple of kidney stones. Good times. I reduced my grain intake, reduced sugar intake, slowed down my alcohol intake, increased my protein intake.

I haven't had a third stone so far, been a good two years now.

Didn't really follow any literature, just applied what I thought was good diet common sense.

Bry

 

[boingyman]

Type, cause and severity of kidney stones can vary significantly so there is no one universal "diet" or nutrition therapy for kidney stones without a stone analysis. However, one thing that is universal (assuming no other medical contraindications) is adequate/increasing hydration to help increase overall urine volume. The most common type of kidney stones are calcium oxalate stones. With a stone analysis a Urologist and/or Nephrologist can determine the below.

Based on a nutrition assessment and the below risk factors and your specific needs we can then provide nutrition recommendations. I copy and pasted one of the general handout I use when I get consulted for kidney stones.


Kidney Stones Nutrition Therapy

Diet can influence the formation and growth of kidney stones. Using diet to prevent kidney stones may mean changing what you eat. Depending on your individual risk factors and on the type of kidney stones you form, you may be advised to make changes. Nutrition therapy, as with other forms of therapy, is prescribed individually according to you and your specific needs and risks. Your registered dietitian nutritionist (RDN) will design and explain a plan that meets your needs.

Risk factors for kidney stones vary between individuals and can even change within an individual over time. You probably won’t need to follow everything on this handout. Your RDN will review and explain the items that are important for your stone prevention.


Your risk factors for kidney stone formation and growth are:

___ High urine calcium ___ Low urine volume ___ Low calcium intake

___ High urine uric acid ___ Low urine magnesium ___ High salt intake

___ High urine oxalate ___ Low urine citrate ___ High calcium intake

___ High acid urine ___ Low fruit and vegetable intake ___ Acid load of diet is high


Your Nutrition Therapy Checklist
Therapies that apply to you are checked.

___ Increase your urine volume by drinking more fluids (usually 2 liters of urine or more is the goal)

• Drinking at least 3 liters (at least 3 quarts or 100 ounces) of fluids per day is the best way to lower your risk for forming new stones. You may have to drink more than this if you exercise heavily or are in hot weather for long periods of time.
• Spread your fluid intake throughout the day and night. All drinks count toward your fluid intake, including water, fruit juice, coffee, tea, milk, soda, and lemonade.
• Drink more low-sugar, low-calorie beverages so you do not get too many of your calories from beverages.
• Drink beer, wine, and alcoholic spirits in moderation, if at all.

HERE’S A TIP—Divide your day into 3 parts. Plan to drink at least 32 ounces in each part of the day. This will get you close to at least 100 ounces of fluids for the day.

___ Reduce urine calcium by reducing your salt intake
Reducing sodium (salt) intake is a powerful way to reduce urine calcium. Most diets contain too much sodium. This may increase the amount of calcium your kidneys let out into the urine. Believe it or not, only about 10% of our salt intake comes from the salt shaker! The rest comes mostly from processed and prepared foods.

The sodium in your 24-hour urine collection is a good estimate of your intake. Based on your urine, your intake appears to add to your urine calcium. The recommended amount of sodium is 1,500 milligrams per day. Most people get more than this even if they don’t use the salt shaker. Start reducing salt by just eating less than you do now. Choose “no salt added” or “low-salt” foods as much as possible. Particularly high-salt foods to limit include:

Cheese (all types) Most frozen foods and meals Salty, cured meats and deli meats
Hot dogs, bratwurst, and sausages Canned soups and vegetables Breads, bagels, rolls, and baked goods
Salty snacks (chips, pretzels) Certain salad dressings Certain breakfast cereals
Pickles and olives Casseroles and other “mixed” foods Pizza, lasagna
Canned and bottled pasta sauces Certain condiments Table salt and some spice blends

___ Reduce urine calcium by balancing your diet
Balancing your diet for acid is important if your urine calcium is high. A high “acid load” diet may cause your bones to release more calcium into the bloodstream than they should. This can add to high urine calcium.
The foods causing the highest acid load are:

• Cheese
• Meats of all types
• Fish and seafood
• Poultry

Reduce the number of times you eat these foods in a week and eat smaller portions of these foods.
Foods in the grain group—breads, cereals, rice, and pasta—also add to the acid load of the diet, but not as much as cheese, meat, poultry, and fish. Fewer grain foods, or smaller portions, may help reduce urine calcium.
Milk and yogurt do not need to be restricted unless otherwise recommended.
Nearly all fruits and vegetables have the opposite effect of acid. Eating more of these will help balance your diet against the acidic effects of meats and cheese.

___ Reduce urine oxalate: 3 strategies
There are different ways to lower the amount of oxalate in your urine. How you do so will depend on why your urine oxalate levels are high. It is unlikely that all the strategies below apply to you. Those that are circled apply to you most.

A. Eat or drink something with about 300 milligrams of calcium at each meal and snack.
WHY? Calcium and oxalate bind in the digestive tract and get removed in the stool. Less oxalate is absorbed and available to the urine. Foods and beverages are best for including calcium; non-dairy sources are available for those who may be lactose intolerant or who otherwise avoid or limit dairy. Calcium supplements may be included, but you should not have more than 1,200 to 1,500 milligrams of calcium a day. (If you have short bowel or malabsorption, you may be advised to use more calcium.)

B. Eat fewer “high-oxalate” foods.
WHY? The more oxalate absorbed from your digestive tract, the more in your urine. High-oxalate foods to limit, if you eat them, are:

• Spinach
• Rhubarb
• Beets
• Potato chips
• French fries
• Nuts and nut butters

You do not need to cut out other healthy foods that provide some oxalate. In fact, oxalate is practically unavoidable, because most plant foods have some. Often a combination of calcium from foods or beverages with meals and fewer high-oxalate foods is required.

C. Stop taking vitamin C supplements.
WHY? When the body gets more vitamin C than it needs, some of the vitamin C breaks down into oxalate. The oxalate then goes to the kidneys and into the urine. You do not need to limit fruits and vegetables with vitamin C.

___ Reduce urine acidity (especially relevant for those who form uric acid or cystine stones)
Sometimes, only medication can address acidic urine effectively. But you can decrease the acidity of your urine by increasing your intake of fruits and vegetables, which provide potassium and other compounds that alkalinize your urine. You can also reduce the amount of foods you eat that contribute directly to acidity, and these include cheese, meats, fish, and poultry.

___ Reduce urine uric acid: 2 ways

1. All meats of all types, including poultry and fish, contribute to uric acid production in the body. You are advised to eat fewer of these foods within a week and/or to eat smaller portions. Organ meats, water fowl, game meats, and certain types of seafood (anchovies, sardines, herring) are especially high in purines. When purines are consumed, they increase uric acid levels. HERE ARE SOME TIPS FOR REDUCING PURINES:
   • Make 2 or more days a week “non-meat” days (you may use dairy and eat non-meat protein foods like beans).
   • Limit yourself to one serving per day of meat, fish, poultry or seafood.
   • Limit portion sizes of meat, fish, poultry, or seafood to no more than one-quarter of your plate (or 3 to 4 ounces by weight).
2. There are other potential contributors to high urine uric acid. If applicable and depending on your current intake, you may be advised to reduce your consumption of alcohol and/or of fructose, a carbohydrate found naturally in moderate amounts in fruits but used in large amounts in processed foods.

___ Increase urine citrate
If your citrate is very low, a medication may be prescribed to help increase it. Otherwise, and in addition to medication, eating more fruits and vegetables—at least 5 a day—and choosing beverages high in citric acid can increase your urine citrate. Pure lemon juice (not lemonade) and lime juice are very rich in citric acid. You may try using 2 ounces of lemon or lime juice diluted in water or other beverage twice daily. Beverages with citric acid in them include some diet sodas and powdered drink mixes.

___ Increase urine magnesium
If your urine magnesium is low, you are advised to take a magnesium supplement, which is available over-the-counter. Your RDN will specify how much magnesium you need; you may require a formulation providing in the range of 300 to 500 milligrams per day, depending on your current intake of foods providing magnesium.

 

[4daLuLZ]

I could swear Gene Tunney wad dead.

Op used a Ouija board ?

 

[ooitzoo]

Hello you bunch of vegans

I have never posed in this area, and I never thought I would. But then I had a kidney stone and posted about it in the Mayberry, and a bunch of sherdoggers said they get them often. That shit is fucking terrifying. Passing that thing out of my dickhole was unbelievable and I never wanna deal with it again.

So I'm gonna change my diet. Gene Tunney the famous boxer gave me some advice in the Mayberry:


Also I was told by a Shermod that tap water can mess with you re: the stones

Spoiler

FACT #1: Hard water contains high levels of calcium, magnesium, and other minerals that get filtered into your home’s water system and drinking water.

FACT #2: When urine contains too much calcium or other crystal-forming minerals, our bodies are unable to dilute them; therefore, kidney stones can form.

FACT #3: Though hard water does have a higher calcium level than soft water, there is not enough evidence to prove hard water can cause kidney stones. In fact, most hard water does not contain high enough levels of minerals to be a danger to our health.

FACT #4: Some research has contended that if hard water contains extremely high levels of calcium and magnesium, it could play a bigger role in kidney stone formation compared to soft, filtered water.

FACT #5: Soft water involves the removal of common minerals found in hard water conditions

So I now want to build a diet specifically designed to avoid kidney stones. I will eat fucking acid before I deal with something like that again. So any legit advice from this section of Sherdog will be immensely appreciated by my pee-hole.

Right now the plan is:

Lots of eggs, skinless chicken, and iceberg lettuce. Low sodium tuna, I guess Brita filtered water, and sliced turkey for cold meats at lunch I was thinking should be OK.

Any other suggestions? And yes, I named the stone. I call it Mick Jagger.

Spoiler

Honestly, I think the best thing you can do is ensure you're well hydrated. Having gone thru a similar scare about a decade ago, nearly every dr (incl. two VERY well respected nephrologists) said "make sure you drink a gallon a day of, preferably filtered or distilled, water"

Nearly everything else will only move the needle marginally (assuming, of course, you're not taking in table-spoons of salt at every available moment)

See a nephrologist, listen to what they say, then adhere to their plan of care

^^^QFT^^^

You have to trust the medical experts when it comes to medical problems. Get a second opinion before doing anything "big" but do trust them.

 

[Aegon Spengler]

I could swear Gene Tunney wad dead.

@Gene Tunney

KO this bum, Gene