International Congo bracing for another Ebola Outbreak. 1 in 4 still doesn't believe the virus is real.

[cincymma79]

 

[Black Helicopters]

why is ebola popping up again, is it mutating.

Bushmeat has historically been a huge source of food/protein in the Congo. Since their population has exploded and the spread of firearms hunting is more easy and prevelant than ever. Forests in Congo are becoming empty as a result.

 

[Lord of Lies]

What does the President of Madagascar think about this?

 

[Fugazy]

Up to 6 billion people on one continent by 2100?

There is no way that will go well.

 

[Arkain2K]

any plague that runs rampant in africa sooner rather than later spreads to the world.

Ironically, the only reason why we even have these vaccines now is because infected people managed to came to our shores and set off a panic in the West.

There were no money to be made before then, so no one want to sink billions into creating a vaccine for Ebola.

 

[irish_thug]

why is ebola popping up again, is it mutating.

Because people can't stop eating monkeys.

 

[HomerThompson]

As usually I can’t bring myself to give a fuck about Africa.

*usual

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[HunterSdVa29]

hope the vaccine works
the Congos have had it pretty damn rough ever since Leopold literally owned it as his own personal property

then there was rather questionable usage of apparent tainted chimp kidney cells used to replicate human cells for a polio vaccine by the Belgians afterwards, which apparently has been 'disproved' as a probable cause for HIV, but it's still extremely suspect and just brushed aside

 

[dfoster]

Lol just saw a cbs news video blaming the trump admin for reducing aids to Africa thus hinders these people from containing the outbreak. Stop eating monkey meat you idiots. How many warnings are enough?

 

[dfoster]

Not ebola. It would be contained quickly in any 1st world nation. In many African communities where Ebola thrives it is because the populace doesn't understand how diseases are transmitted. They kiss and touch and handle the deadly infected bodies that are covered in the virus. They hold funerals that are many days long with the infectious corpse infected many of them. They have communal washing bowls they use to wash their hands after touching the corpse which spreads the deadly virus.

In the 1st world we quarantine the corpse and sterilize the area. Ebola transmits through direct contact with fluids. It is easy to contain for populations that understand science and are literate and live in what we consider modern times.

Not that we haven’t made any effort to educate them.

 

[BillytheFish]

Incredible insight on the subject matter.

Now get the fuck out and don't ever step into any of my threads with these utterly worthless "contribution" again.

Ive spent a number of years working in various countries around Africa. While I have met great people in Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel/Palentine...I can hand on heart say the biggest backstabbing cunts (to each other and foreigners alike) have been in African countries. Of course this is anectdotal...but it is a personal observation from a non-racist.

 

[Arkain2K]

hope the vaccine works

the Congos have had it pretty damn rough ever since Leopold literally owned it as his own personal property

Yeah, Belgium fucked Congo up hard. The barbaric shit they did was on par with what Imperial Japan did to the Philippines.

With a little bit of good leadership, Congo could still one day be among the richest countries in the world, with the insane amount of valuable natural resources they're sitting on.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24396390

 

[Black Helicopters]

Lol just saw a cbs news video blaming the trump admin for reducing aids to Africa thus hinders these people from containing the outbreak. Stop eating monkey meat you idiots. How many warnings are enough?

It’s not monkey meat itself, it’s cutting yourself in preparation of these meats or not cooking it properly just like we would get sick from eating improperly cooked or handled food.

All it takes is one mistake and it spreads like wildfire

 

[original doom]

Not ebola. It would be contained quickly in any 1st world nation. In many African communities where Ebola thrives it is because the populace doesn't understand how diseases are transmitted. They kiss and touch and handle the deadly infected bodies that are covered in the virus. They hold funerals that are many days long with the infectious corpse infected many of them. They have communal washing bowls they use to wash their hands after touching the corpse which spreads the deadly virus.

In the 1st world we quarantine the corpse and sterilize the area. Ebola transmits through direct contact with fluids. It is easy to contain for populations that understand science and are literate and live in what we consider modern times.

that too is true.

 

[HockeyBjj]

experimental vaccines sounds like a zombie movie in the making.

The true reason we need our AR 15s

 

[Arkain2K]

In the 1st world we quarantine the corpse and sterilize the area. Ebola transmits through direct contact with fluids. It is easy to contain for populations that understand science and are literate and live in what we consider modern times.

Most people think our quaratine procedure is top-notched too, until nurse Nina Pham was infected thanks to her hospital's lousy preparation.

They took care of the Patient Zero from Liberia who showed up in Dallas with Ebola for THREE DAYS before the hazmat suits finally arrived. Before that, the nursing staff had nothing to protect themselves with other than the usual latex gloves and face mask. The nurse checked herself in when she felt sick later at home.

If Nurse Nina didn't quarantine herself immediately, she could have spread it to a hell lot of people. Same with that asshole Duncan (who brazenly lied about not coming in contact with Ebola) when they released him into the general population with a high fever before he started vomitting blood everywhere. Shit could have been a hell lot worse, because we were nowhere near as prepared as people thought.

 

[lifelessheap]

Most people think our quaratine procedure is top-notched too, until nurse Nina Pham was infected thanks to her hospital's lousy preparation.

They took care of the Patient Zero from Liberia who showed up in Dallas with Ebola for THREE DAYS before the hazmat suits finally arrived. Before that, the nursing staff had nothing to protect themselves with other than the usual latex gloves and face mask. The nurse checked herself in when she felt sick later at home.

If Nurse Nina didn't quarantine herself immediately, she could have spread it to a hell lot of people. Same with that asshole Duncan (who brazenly lied about not coming in contact with Ebola) when they released him into the general population with a high fever before he started vomitting blood everywhere. Shit could have been a hell lot worse, because we were nowhere near as prepared as people thought.

You are making my point though. The nursing staff were smart enough to use gloves and face masks. They weren't kissing her and touching her. lol. And the nurse checked herself in because she was versed in science and understood infectious diseases. And if that Duncan guy would have gotten people sick there would have been a protocol and it would have been stopped far before it was an epidemic.

 

[Lord Coke]

Up to 6 billion people on one continent by 2100?

There is no way that will go well.

Its going to be bad. I suspect a war on Europe like we have never seen

 

[Arkain2K]

You are making my point though.

How the hell did you read all of that, including the links I posted, and came up with that silly conclusion is beyond me.

We weren't ready last time. We got lucky. The very, VERY long list of safety procedures they scrambled to in place AFTER the blunders is a testament to that.

For starter: When an Ebola patient is coughing blood all over the place, the nurses' hands and faces aren't the only thing the blood droplets can land on.

If hospitals are ill-equipped to handle Ebola, nor did they ever train their staff on how to deal with Ebola, they are NOT ready for Ebola.

U.S. Hospitals Aren't 'Ebola-Ready'
Healthcare workers say they're far from prepared to treat a patient with the virus.
Olga Khazan | Oct 17, 2014

How did two nurses, both wearing protective gear, get Ebola in a Dallas hospital? That's the frightening question behind the growing criticism of the CDC and Dallas's Texas Health Presbyterian hospital.

Although the CDC has said it spent months readying U.S. hospitals to handle potential Ebola cases, many healthcare workers around the country are now saying they are far from prepared to treat patients who have the virus.

We still don't know exactly how either of the Texas nurses, Nina Pham and Amber Vinson, contracted the disease. In a statement provided to a nurses' union, their co-workers in Dallas claimed that a number of things went wrong, including that the patient, Thomas Eric Duncan, was not immediately isolated, that the nurses lacked hands-on training, that hazardous waste had piled up around the hospital, and that their protective gear left parts of their bodies exposed.

On Friday, a Texas Health Presbyterian nurse, Briana Aguirre, told CNN that the only training she received was a one-time, optional seminar, and that her suit left her neck exposed.

The hospital has denied all of these statements and has said it was in compliance with CDC recommendations at all times.

Health officials say that hospital workers should have regular practice drills on how to take the protective clothing, hoods, and gloves on and off. It's important to "make sure we can open the supply closet, pull stuff out at 2 a.m. on a Sunday morning," Stephen Frum, a nurse at Medstar Washington Hospital Center in Washington, told WAMU.

In a Congressional hearing yesterday, Daniel Varga, the chief clinical officer for Texas Health Resources, the medical group that oversees Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, said that the health workers treating Duncan were wearing the "level two" protective gear shown on this New York Times infographic.

However, he also said “shoe covers were added shortly thereafter,” implying that time had elapsed between when Duncan was admitted and when the foot protection was donned.

It would be one thing if Dallas was uniquely ill-equipped to handle Ebola. But increasingly, nurses' groups from around the country are saying that their members have received little training in how to process a suspected Ebola case.

In a recent survey of 2,000 nurses at more 750 facilities in 46 states, the Nurses United union found:

• 76 percent still say their hospital has not communicated to them any policy regarding potential admission of patients infected by Ebola
• 85 percent say their hospital has not provided education on Ebola with the ability for the nurses to interact and ask questions
• 37 percent say their hospital has insufficient current supplies of eye protection (face shields or side shields with goggles) for daily use on their unit; 36 percent say there are insufficient supplies of fluid resistant/impermeable gowns in their hospital
• 39 percent say their hospital does not have plans to equip isolation rooms with plastic covered mattresses and pillows and discard all linens after use; only 8 percent said they were aware their hospital does have such a plan in place

"We have heard consistently across the country that there are no protocols in place," Nurses United executive director RoseAnn DeMoro told reporters Wednesday. DeMoro also said that the situation could escalate to possible strikes if nurses don't receive better training and supplies soon.

Nurses from other unions have echoed those complaints. Mari Cordes, a nurse in Burlington, Vermont, and president of the Vermont Federation of Nurses & Health Professionals, said that her hospital, Fletcher Allen Health Care, has not conducted any trainings or advisories about Ebola.

"We have been told by Fletcher Allen that 'they' are planning, but ... hospital management has yet to meet with staff, and says that the earliest they could meet with us is October 31st," she said in an email. "The Ebola outbreak has been occurring for months."

Lynda Pond, a labor and delivery nurse in Springfield, Oregon and a member of the Oregon Nurses Association, said she doesn't feel adequately educated about Ebola and claimed that the primary communication she's received from her hospital about the issue was through a "blast email" on October 6. She asked that the name of her employer not be used.

Pond also expressed concern that the hospital's infrastructure isn't enough to fully protect nurses and disinfect contaminated gear:

None of [the rooms] have antechambers for donning and removing isolation gear. A "cart" with paper gowns, gloves, and non-specific masks is parked outside the door. The nurse [puts on] gowns and gloves outside the room, enters the room, provides care and removes the equipment at the door prior to exiting, placing it in a garbage bin inside the room ... To my knowledge there is not adequate supply of full hazmat suits, there are not instructions for gloving, taping and gloving again. Nor are there leggings or shoe covers as part of the standard isolation gear.​

"As it is," she added, "staffing is so short, our patient population so sick, that the nurses are doing all they can to take care of what they have. Ebola is a sideline conversation."

The CDC is taking measures to address some of these problems, like announcing this week that a new "Ebola response team" will be flown to any American hospital that has a confirmed Ebola case to help with patient care and worker protection.

Still, not every Ebola case has been immediately identified as such—Duncan was sent home the first time he tried to go to the hospital—and the blood tests sometimes take days to process.

Nurses might, understandably, be hyper-sensitive to the Ebola threat right now. If two of their own had not fallen ill, it's unlikely that the gaps in training and equipment would be drawing so much scorn.

But assuming the U.S. won't ever see a true "outbreak" of Ebola, which it likely won't, the apparent oversights among hospitals are worrying for other reasons.

The West African Ebola outbreak has highlighted the fact that we live in an increasingly globalized world, and that rare and dangerous pathogens can make their way across oceans with relative ease. It's not a leap to think that tuberculosis, antibiotic-resistant strep, or even rare flus could similarly wreak havoc on healthcare systems in future years. Judging by the situation in Dallas, it looks like America's defenses against infectious diseases are only as strong as our weakest hospitals.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/10/us-hospitals-arent-ebola-ready/381596/

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

I mentioned this in the other thread several years ago when the previous outbreak of Ebola took place.

Could you imagine if this disease struck a dense, crowded urban shit hole like the slums of Calcutta or Delhi?