International Biden calls US ally Japan ‘xenophobic’ along with Russia and China

[Seano]

Another thing the end of the America crowd don't seem to get... assimilation doesn't happen in your life time..

It's a multi-generational process.

I can agree with that but its an individual who has to start that process for future generations, something people did 100 years ago but are discouraged from doing today. This society is obsessed with being the victim and nurturing hatred between races and creeds.

 

[Blayt7hh]

I know it very well. My great great grandparents were driven from Ireland during the potato famine (or more accurately, the after effect of the famine), tried to make a life in England, were not welcome and then came here only to find out it was the same people running things across the pond. My great grandmother, who I vaguely remember, came here when she was 2. I've heard the stories. And yet, here I am, living a relatively normal life, not whining about the English owing me reparations, or crying that my ancestors couldn't worship as they wished. Couldn't work in lucrative positions. I'm just fine.

You singled me out and insulted me, then got mad when I called you on it.


I'm not a victim at all. I'm not sure where you get the idea that I feel victimized. You don't get it at all. My whole point is that while sure, my great great grandparents were treated like garbage I'm living a reasonably normal life. I've made my own way. The mistakes I've made are my own, the decisions I made are my own. If I commit a crime or get fired from my job, I'm not allowed to say "its not my fault, my great grandmom got mistreated 55 years before I was born". Its fine to remember it, to honor that history but you can't let it define who and what you are today.

Its not accurate to say Irish suffered racism. It was a type of bigotry for sure but more based on their belief in catholicism and their class. Ireland had been ravaged by the famine and never really recovered. They were considered poor and lower class. Similar to how the people of Martha's Vineyard felt when the brown folks showed up from Florida and Texas. Very early form of NIMBY.

Well if you’re going to start arguing about semantics I think we can call it here.

Your whole personality on here is about being a victim of society btw. Nothing is how you want it and everything is bad. You turned into the stereotypical get off my lawn old man and you can’t see it. Oh well

 

[Seano]

Well if you’re going to start arguing about semantics I think we can call it here.

Your whole personality on here is about being a victim of society btw. Nothing is how you want it and everything is bad. You turned into the stereotypical get off my lawn old man and you can’t see it. Oh well

No its not. I'm not a victim of the past and neither is anyone else. This has been/is/always will be my stance. I don't accept it. I'm tired of folks like you perpetuating it and making sure people never move beyond it.

 

[Blayt7hh]

No its not. I'm not a victim of the past and neither is anyone else. This has been/is/always will be my stance. I don't accept it. I'm tired of folks like you perpetuating it and making sure people never move beyond it.

I’m saying quite clearly that you see yourself as the victim of today. That’s plainly obvious

 

[calavera2]

In 100 years, everyone will realize Japan was right. Diversity is not a strength. Its a hindrance in people finding common ground over shit that should be irrelevant to us.

look at this special snowflake who thinks his skin color makes him special

The problem and greatest strife within the USA has always been these cunts who think they're special based on their skin color...still is

 

[Jack V Savage]

Not that it matters to you, but I’m for more legal immigration as I’ve stated many times here.

I don’t believe the best thing for cultural or mental wellbeing in a society is to treat humans purely on their economic production capability. Which is what this is reducing people into being.

How?

There is a limit to the amount of people that a society needs in order to function. In your economic theory, you need an ever increasing amount of workforce production to keep up with an ever increasing amount of money to keep up with an ever increasing amount of people.

Why do you lie about what I think so much? It's really weird.

Automation has increased yet the furnace needs more fuel which is why you push for more workers all while ignoring any overarching changes that such a push has.

In your world view, culture isn’t something to maintain, it is an amorphous abstraction that is unnecessary to economic production.

This is another lie.

In a capitalist MMT based economy you have an ever expanding money supply which needs an ever expanding workforce to be sustained.

Our economy is definitely not based on MMT. WTF? That's a relatively new and very fringey theory that almost all serious people reject. The other sentence makes no sense.

What they leave out is all the money that’s tied up at the top which leaves the workers poor. Which is why Jack likes to say we need more migrants or our quality of life would go down. How about we just spread the money we do have more evenly among the producers?

I say that having more immigration raises our quality of life because it indisputably does.

 

[Seano]

look at this special snowflake who thinks his skin color makes him special

The problem and greatest strife within the USA has always been these cunts who think they're special based on their skin color...still is

Weird because you're the only one who mentioned skin color. As I've said in this thread, I expect the same things for and from everyone. Literally the opposite of what your dumb ass just suggested.

 

[Hog-train]

I can agree with that but its an individual who has to start that process for future generations, something people did 100 years ago but are discouraged from doing today. This society is obsessed with being the victim and nurturing hatred between races and creeds.

I agree with you this society is obsessed with being the victim and nurturing animosity between races.

But you fail to see your conservative "side" is doing the exact same thing.

 

[calavera2]

Weird because you're the only one who mentioned skin color. As I've said in this thread, I expect the same things for and from everyone. Literally the opposite of what your dumb ass just suggested.

Is this you? Don't bitch out now.

"In 100 years, everyone will realize Japan was right. Diversity is not a strength. Its a hindrance in people finding common ground over shit that should be irrelevant to us."

 

[Sinister]

@Sinister this was where was thinking socialism has its qualities.

In a capitalist MMT based economy you have an ever expanding money supply which needs an ever expanding workforce to be sustained. What they leave out is all the money that’s tied up at the top which leaves the workers poor. Which is why Jack likes to say we need more migrants or our quality of life would go down. How about we just spread the money we do have more evenly among the producers?

I dont agree on spreading money for the purpose of keeping out migrants, especially considering:

Immigrants Raise Wages And Boost Employment Of U.S.-Born Workers

New research concludes immigrants raise wages and boost the employment of U.S.-born workers, addressing a concern raised by critics.

www.forbes.com

Not saying that's exactly what you were saying, but it could be interpreted that way. I dont view immigration as this cultural evil isolationists do, if anything culture evolves when we adapt traditions from people we dont know.

 

[Seano]

I agree with you this society is obsessed with being the victim and nurturing animosity between races.

But you fail to see your conservative "side" is doing the exact same thing.

I see that its perpetuated by all sorts of people in different ways. I am allowed to have my own opinions on the topic, regardless of my overall political affiliation. I don't see my political stance as "all in" one way or the other. I honestly feel like I'm relatively moderate on most topics. Maybe a bit more right leaning these days but I don't feel like I have any extreme view on anything. I don't just blindly believe what Mitch McConnell says.

 

[Seano]

Is this you? Don't bitch out now.

"In 100 years, everyone will realize Japan was right. Diversity is not a strength. Its a hindrance in people finding common ground over shit that should be irrelevant to us."

skin tone = diversity? Thats you saying that, not me. Diversity is cultural. Culture is what makes us different. Culture is why we don't see eye to eye.

This is the pot calling the kettle black, you're telling me how you see things but accusing me.

 

[Hog-train]

I see that its perpetuated by all sorts of people in different ways. I am allowed to have my own opinions on the topic, regardless of my overall political affiliation. I don't see my political stance as "all in" one way or the other. I honestly feel like I'm relatively moderate on most topics. Maybe a bit more right leaning these days but I don't feel like I have any extreme view on anything. I don't just blindly believe what Mitch McConnell says.

Yet you don't give that same grace to people on the other side of the aisle. Everyone is a retarded libtard to you with no nuance and they all think the same thing.

You're right leaning sources are simplistically labeling "the other side" as this one thing. You don't see the irony?

As for extreme views - even extremists think they're relatively moderate and what they believe is reasonable.

 

[Rob Battisti]

I dont agree on spreading money for the purpose of keeping out migrants, especially considering:

Immigrants Raise Wages And Boost Employment Of U.S.-Born Workers

New research concludes immigrants raise wages and boost the employment of U.S.-born workers, addressing a concern raised by critics.

www.forbes.com

Not saying that's exactly what you were saying, but it could be interpreted that way. I dont view immigration as this cultural evil isolationists do, if anything culture evolves when we adapt traditions from people we dont know.

Spending money in keeping out migrants?

So you just don’t believe in any border security at all?

 

[Jack V Savage]

I dont agree on spreading money for the purpose of keeping out migrants, especially considering:

Immigrants Raise Wages And Boost Employment Of U.S.-Born Workers

New research concludes immigrants raise wages and boost the employment of U.S.-born workers, addressing a concern raised by critics.

www.forbes.com

Not saying that's exactly what you were saying, but it could be interpreted that way. I dont view immigration as this cultural evil isolationists do, if anything culture evolves when we adapt traditions from people we dont know.

FWIW, Rob is, as usual, lying about my beliefs.

It is true that immigration raises our material standard of living, though. And I'd agree that it contributes in other ways to our living standards.

 

[Sinister]

Spending money in keeping out migrants?

So you just don’t believe in any border security at all?

It depends on how you define "border security." If you mean militarized zones with razor wire and fortresses, nope. I think it's a ridiculous concept altogether to tied to the "promised land" myths used to cover up the atrocities of unchecked capitalism/class warfare.

I like the system that the EU has. I prefer borders to be centers of movement for the purpose of trade and commerce, not symbols of the myth that those people want to take all that is Holy and yours.

 

[calavera2]

skin tone = diversity? Thats you saying that, not me. Diversity is cultural. Culture is what makes us different. Culture is why we don't see eye to eye.

This is the pot calling the kettle black, you're telling me how you see things but accusing me.

Backpedaling...whatever man...

The USA has never been a monolithic culture from its inception..not yesterday, not today, and not tomorrow. The English style of government (whose provenance is as diverse as it gets) here in the USA in combination with an abundance of human and natural resources combined to make a great country....unprecedented in our recorded history. You ain't special bitch.

"Diversity is not a strength" nature without diversity is a recipe for ecological collapse

 

[Seano]

Yet you don't give that same grace to people on the other side of the aisle. Everyone is a retarded libtard to you with no nuance and they all think the same thing.

You're right leaning sources are simplistically labeling "the other side" as this one thing. You don't see the irony?

As for extreme views - even extremists think they're relatively moderate and what they believe is reasonable.

Honestly on this particular issue, I have to disagree with what you're saying. I would agree on other certain topics, I guess. I'll concede that there is perhaps an angle I'm not seeing that you are, some tunnel vision maybe but no, I'm not seeing it.
Can you explain what your issue is with my stance and why you feel the need to suggest a bias? There's nothing extreme in anything I said. I don't really see wanting everyone to have the same chances and opportunity and to not be exploited for political gain because of their race as an extreme view. I don't really see hoping for citizens of a country to have common ground and to stop highlighting our differences an unusual right wing belief. I honestly think its a weird that you think there is something wrong with what I've said.
Honestly, I see one group here that keeps trying to make this about my race. You see it too.

 

[Rob Battisti]

It depends on how you define "border security." If you mean militarized zones with razor wire and fortresses, nope. I think it's a ridiculous concept altogether to tied to the "promised land" myths used to cover up the atrocities of unchecked capitalism/class warfare.

I like the system that the EU has. I prefer borders to be centers of movement for the purpose of trade and commerce, not symbols of the myth that those people want to take all that is Holy and yours.

Interesting and very optimistic. I hope one day we can be elevated as a society to have such a situation.

 

[Seano]

Backpedaling...whatever man...

The USA has never been a monolithic culture from its inception..not yesterday, not today, and not tomorrow. The English style of government (whose provenance is as diverse as it gets) here in the USA in combination with an abundance of human and natural resources combined to make a great country....unprecedented in our recorded history. You ain't special bitch.

"Diversity is not a strength" nature without diversity is a recipe for ecological collapse

Nah, you tried to make this about my race and I corrected you. The end. Move along.