Senator Bernie Sanders introduce new Single-Payer Health Care bill

[Ice That Jaw]

I like Bernie but I do not like her one bit. I would enjoy seeing her fail miserably in a presidential primary though.

 

[Scheme]

You don't actually think every person with expensive needs has them due to vice, do you?

I have no control over where or who my money goes to. Maybe some of it goes to a good cause, maybe some of it goes to a person with a problem due to a vice. Do I have a choice? Nope.

Look at this article from cbc (I live in Canada): http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/alcohol-hospital-admissions-1.4172091

It states that in 2016, there were more hospitalizations due to alcohol related conditions than heart attacks.

Also from the article:

"For instance, in 2014–2015, the average cost for hospitalization that was entirely caused by alcohol was estimated at $8,100, compared to the average hospital stay for other causes at $5,800. That's mostly because of longer stays (11 days on average compared to seven days, respectively)."

Nice to know my money is being spent on people because they want to drink too much. Especially when I haven't used any healthcare in a decade.

 

[TheStruggle]

Yes the fact that the current crop of big democrats have gotten way to comfortable with the businesses that they are supposed to butt heads with has not alluded me

The democratic party is rotten from within and hopefully the recent beatdown of Hildo as well as across the board everywhere else has learned em their lesson about that kind of behavior. Might as well vote for a republican at least they arent fulla shit when it comes to that topic

Dems and Reps both want big government bullshit, they just want all the credit for starting something and pass the buck when it fails.

 

[*Z*]

I have no control over where or who my money goes to. Maybe some of it goes to a good cause, maybe some of it goes to a person with a problem due to a vice. Do I have a choice? Nope.

Look at this article from cbc (I live in Canada): http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/alcohol-hospital-admissions-1.4172091

It states that in 2016, there were more hospitalizations due to alcohol related conditions than heart attacks.

Also from the article:

"For instance, in 2014–2015, the average cost for hospitalization that was entirely caused by alcohol was estimated at $8,100, compared to the average hospital stay for other causes at $5,800. That's mostly because of longer stays (11 days on average compared to seven days, respectively)."

Nice to know my money is being spent on people because they want to drink too much. Especially when I haven't used any healthcare in a decade.

I drink too much and haven't been to a doctor in a decade. My time is coming and I'm going to making it count. lol

 

[Gutter Chris]

We've got some republicans just like that.

McCain and Ryan.

Shut up. Im making good points and you are just talking shit. Both those guys have always towed the republican line and often get scapegoated because no one is pure enough on your side of the yard and Ryan is in an impossible position with the things republican voters believe vs what he can actually pass because most of that shit will be insanely harmful if you actually do it and hes well aware of it.

I am positive that a working class man with a family such as yourself would benefit greatly from a solid national plan and yet you act as if it it ever gets passed the government is going to come to your house and murder your family when in reality your life wouldnt change at all except for the fact that you would have more money because you were no longer being robbed by an hmo and your employer no longer has to bear the cost of a healthcare plan that is funding everything once the check clears but actual fucking healthcare.

Also it isnt free its tax funded same as the roads you drive on cops that protect you soldiers that kill our enemies and the politicians that oppress us

Consider yourself clued in Fam

 

[Gunny]

In terms of identity politics, what has she done?

Comment was informed by several years worth of observations of her comments, tweets, media appearances, etc.

 

[Gutter Chris]

Dems and Reps both want big government bullshit, they just want all the credit for starting sometimes and pass the buck when it fails.

I just want them to do things that will benefit the country. Preffribly at their expense. Im fed up with em always bitching and coming up with no scams to fuck up our lives while never ever throwing us a bone. Healthcare needs to get fixed we know what will more than likely do it but for reasons it never seems to happen.

And on top of that I get to hear working class plebs whos lives would be greatly improved by such a thing whisper about it in fear due to the amount of propaganda out there and its just all very irritating to me and im tired of it. We shouldnt even be having this debate we done shoulda fixed this way back in the 90s and moved on to the next thing

 

[Jack V Savage]

In terms of identity politics, what has she done?

Nothing. Gunny just doesn't like the fact that she's a minority woman.

I still need to see numbers on this. The government involvement argument died decades ago, so lets focus on the fiscal side.

Yep. It's pointless to even discuss it without the numbers. This is just grandstanding or if you're more charitable a statement of principle.

 

[Gutter Chris]

What about Kamala the Ugandan Giant?

Were tryin to get him some healthcare so he can get him some lieutenant dan magic legs

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

Yea it was a piece of shit plan that got passed instead of what we shoulda did and now here we are still dealing with fucked up healthcare.

Also that was the moment I lost my faith in the democratic party.

Are you aware of the history behind the ACA ?

Richard Nixon proposed something similar back in the 70's and the Heritage foundation (the right wing think tank) backed a similar plan that many prominent republicans championed in the 90's

The ACA was an attempt to gain bipartisan support , most dems wanted universal , this was compromise


http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...5/ellen-qualls/aca-gop-health-care-plan-1993/

https://www.google.ca/amp/khn.org/news/nixon-proposal/amp/

 

[TheStruggle]

I just want them to do things that will benefit the country. Preffribly at their expense. Im fed with em always bitching and coming up with no scams to fuck up our lives while never ever throwing us a bone. Healthcare needs to get fixed we know what will more than likely do it but for reasons it never seems to happen.

And on top of that I get to hear working class plebs whos lives would be greatly improved by such a thing whisper about it in fear due to the amount of propaganda out there and its just all very irritating to me and im tired of it. We shouldnt even be having this debate we done shoulda fixed this way back in the 90s and moved on to the next thing

These idiots in Washington have no idea what they are doing, which is why they need to be in control of as less as possible.

 

[west42]

fool me once...

Shut up. Im making good points and you are just talking shit. Both those guys have always towed the republican line and often get scapegoated because no one is pure enough on your side of the yard and Ryan is in an impossible position with the things republican voters believe vs what he can actually pass because most of that shit will be insanely harmful if you actually do it and hes well aware of it.

I am positive that a working class man with a family such as yourself would benefit greatly from a solid national plan and yet you act as if it it ever gets passed the government is going to come to your house and murder your family when in reality your life wouldnt change at all except for the fact that you would have more money because you were no longer being robbed by an hmo and your employer no longer has to bear the cost of a healthcare plan that is funding everything once the check clears but actual fucking healthcare.

Also it isnt free its tax funded same as the roads you drive on cops that protect you soldiers that kill our enemies and the politicians that oppress us

Consider yourself clued in Fam

 

[Gutter Chris]

fool me once...

yea youre right we should just give up

 

[Gutter Chris]

These idiots in Washington have no idea what they are doing, which is why they need to be in control of as less as possible.

Im sure they can find a real live grownup that can implement such a policy after it is enacted while they play their power games and rip us off

 

[Jack V Savage]

These idiots in Washington have no idea what they are doing, which is why they need to be in control of as less as possible.

Come on. The ACA was brilliantly designed to deal with real-world issues, including political constraints. You can criticize it all you want, but this kind of comment just betrays a total lack of knowledge. This is classic Dunning-Kruger.

 

[TheStruggle]

Come on. The ACA was brilliantly designed to deal with real-world issues, including political constraints. You can criticize it all you want, but this kind of comment just betrays a total lack of knowledge. This is classic Dunning-Kruger.

Shut up...

 

[Arkain2K]

Sanders’ single-payer plan pits 2020 hopefuls against Dem leaders
By Joseph Weber Published September 13, 2017​

Sen. Bernie Sanders on Wednesday officially unveiled his single-payer health care bill, launching a campaign to pass it that already has exposed tensions in the Democratic Party – as 2020 presidential hopefuls rally behind the plan and congressional leaders hold back support.

The “Medicare for All” plan from Sanders, a Vermont independent and sage of the American political left, is backed by 15 co-sponsors.

The list includes several Democratic senators thought to be eyeing a 2020 White House bid -- Elizabeth Warren, of Massachusetts; Kamal Harris, of California; Cory Booker, of New Jersey; and Kirsten Gillibrand, of New York.

However, the top two Democrats on Capitol Hill -- Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi -- are not endorsing the plan right now.

Sanders, though, downplayed the apparent divide his plan has created among Democrats, saying Wednesday the media like to talk about the politics of “who supports it and why and blah, blah, blah.”

“But that's not what the American people want to know. ... They want to know what we will do to fix the health care system,” he said.

Sanders announced the bill on Capitol Hill while flanked by co-sponsors, families, doctors and health care professionals.

“Today, all of us stand here before you and proudly proclaim that health care in America must be a right, not a privilege,” he said.

Among those who spoke was Warren, who attempted to bridge the differences in the Democratic caucus over the bill.

“We will not back down from our protection of the Affordable Care Act,” she said. “But we must go further.”

Hours later, White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders called the plan a “horrible idea.”

“I think that the president, as well as the majority of the country, knows that the single-payer system that the Democrats are proposing is a horrible idea,” she said. “I can’t think of anything worse than having government be more involved in your health care instead of less involved.”

The “Medicare for All” plan was released as Republican senators released competing legislation aimed at overhauling ObamaCare.

Neither has much chance of gaining bipartisan support, but Sen. Sanders’ plan is particularly problematic for his own party.

Both Pelosi and Schumer essentially say they have a more immediate concern of fixing ObamaCare and remain open to a range of long-term solutions toward improving the country’s health care system.

Pelosi, of California, told The Washington Post that she and others “embrace” any plan that provides affordable, accessible care to all Americans but “none of these things, whether it’s Bernie’s or others, can really prevail unless we protect the Affordable Care Act.”

Schumer, of New York, recently said he'll be reviewing the “many good” proposals from Democrats on improving and expanding health care coverage, according to Politico.

Sanders is calling for a federally run program that would provide Americans with no-cost, comprehensive health insurance -- covering everything from preventive care to prescription medications to eye examinations.

The Associated Press reports that the new legislation would let Americans get coverage simply by showing a government-issued card, and ensure they don't owe out-of-pocket expenses.

Unclear is how much the bill would cost.

The 2016 Democratic presidential candidate and self-described democratic socialist pitched a previous version of the plan by proposing to cover costs with tax increases on businesses and the country’s highest wage-earners.

At the time, he estimated the plan would cost $13.8 trillion over the first 10 years. But according to an analysis by the nonpartisan Urban Institute, the single-payer system would cost the federal government more like $32 trillion over the first decade, requiring an average annual tax increase of $24,000 per household. (That increase would be offset in part by a big reduction in private health care spending, and state/local government spending.)

Sanders' office has said the new proposal is different.

The battle-lines between Democrats on the issue appear to extend the disagreements from the 2016 race for the Democratic presidential nomination between Sanders and Hillary Clinton.

Progressive like Harris and Warren are backing the Sanders plan while some in the Democratic establishment appear unwilling to support legislation that dramatically increases taxes and puts the government in control of the country’s health care system.

Still, Pelosi insisted that the single-payer issue is not a “litmus test” for Democrats.

The legislation has little chance of passing in the GOP-controlled Congress.

On Tuesday, the National Republican Senatorial Committee bashed Wisconsin Democrat Sen. Tammy Baldwin, who seeking reelection in 2018, for supporting the plan.

“After suffering through the disastrous results of ObamaCare … folks in Wisconsin deserve to know why Tammy Baldwin is putting them at risk to support the left’s radical plans for government-run health care,” said NRSC spokeswoman Katie Martin.

A similar plan failed this summer in California, among the country’s most liberal states, when House Speaker Anthony Rendon shelved the Senate-approved $400 billion proposal, arguing it had no funding plan.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...n-pits-2020-hopefuls-against-dem-leaders.html

 

[Arkain2K]

Pelosi declines to endorse Sen. Bernie Sanders' single-payer healthcare bill
Sept. 12, 2017, 8:43 a.m.​

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-San Francisco) declined Tuesday to endorse Sen. Bernie Sanders' single-payer healthcare bill, saying her immediate goal is to protect the Affordable Care Act from President Trump's efforts to dismantle it.

Pelosi made it clear that her distance from the bill, which Sanders expects to unveil with top progressives this week, creating something of a litmus test for Democrats, had little to do with its contents. Rather she is working on more incremental gains to preserve and expand coverage for as many Americans as possible, despite Republican opposition to Obamacare, she said.

"Right now, I’m protecting the Affordable Care Act," Pelosi told a small group of reporters at a meeting Tuesday in her Capitol Hill office. "None of these other things, whether it’s Bernie’s [bill], can really prevail unless we have the Affordable Care Act protected."

Sanders, the Vermont independent, is drawing support from top Democrats, including with Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) and others often mentioned as possible presidential contenders.

Pelosi, though, downplayed the bill as a gauge to measure progressive bona fides.

"I don’t think it’s a litmus test," Pelosi said. "To support the idea that it captures is that we want to have everybody, as many people as possible, covered. And I think that’s something that we all embrace."

Other Democrats, including those in the House, are introducing more modest measures, including one that would extend Medicare-like healthcare coverage to those near retirement age, adults between 55 and 64 years old.

"Put them all on the table," Pelosi said.

Pelosi defended her position at a time when some progressives are taking aim at her leadership, noting that she has backed a single-payer system since before she entered Congress.

"I’ve been carrying single-payer signs as party chair of California," she said, referring to her tenure decades ago as state party leader. "I’m a progressive from San Francisco. Proud liberal. I have my own kind of credibility on these subjects."

http://www.latimes.com/politics/was...s-to-endorse-bernie-1505230000-htmlstory.html

 

[A.S. Deep]

Good. About time America starts catching up to other countries in the health care department. #MakeAmericaGreatAgain (for real, not that Trump bullshit)

 

[Jack V Savage]

Shut up...

Typically good post.