Social Baton Rouge Will Split into Two Cities Following Court Ruling

[Rob Battisti]

That isn't division, it's analysis. Looking at the overlapping factors that create a personality. How could that possibly be divisive? You look closely to see what pressures are in play, and you aren't doing it to exploit those pressures.

It's like "affirmation", conservatives hear a word and pretend it means what they want it to mean. Affirmation is the therapeutic process of giving someone the support to make their own decision. Relieve some of the unbearable pressure. Conservatives sell it as pushing the trans ideology, which is explicitly prohibited in the treatment.

I'm not going to pretend progressives are saints, we're human. I've used the epithet "chud" far too many times to feign innocence. I don't know if you've ever noticed me complaining about liberal pundits on this forum, I despise anyone who can only see an issue through a surgically partisan lens.

With actual lawmakers, though, conservatives are overwhelmingly more divisive. They have to be, they don't actually work on issues so they live for the culture war.

I'm going to close out with the admission I don't think that's true of all conservative lawmakers, I know there are some really good ones. Problem is the lunatics get all the press, and these past few years of insanity have purged a lot of the good ones from the party. You have to know this is true.

Not sure if you’re serious.

Instead of seeing a person, the whole idea of intersectionality is to make the differences between each person front and center.

 

[Loiosh]

Not sure if you’re serious.

Instead of seeing a person, the whole idea of intersectionality is to make the differences between each person front and center.

Strong disagree if you're suggesting that being empathetic to the things that make us different is divisive.

Is it your position that we're doing it to attack weaknesses?

 

[Rob Battisti]

Strong disagree if you're suggesting that being empathetic to the things that make us different is divisive.

Is it your position that we're doing it to attack weaknesses?

What does empathy have to do with how I’ve shown your idea that progressives don’t divide being obviously wrong?

 

[The XL]

Sounds like this community had concerns that weren't addressed and they were just milked for their money. What else were they to do?

 

[Loiosh]

What does empathy have to do with how I’ve shown your idea that progressives don’t divide being obviously wrong?

Ah, I see what you did there.

You're saying that by identifying the things that make us different is literally divisive. That isn't the definition of divisive I thought we were using, and it certainly isn't what people are talking about in political discussions.

I thought we were using this one:

di·vi·sive
/dəˈvīsiv,diˈviziv/

adjective: divisive
tending to cause disagreement or hostility between people.

I think you're using this one:

mid 16th century (as a noun denoting something that divides or separates): from late Latin divisivus, from Latin dividere (see divide).

Is that what you mean? Is that relevant to this discussion?

 

[nostradumbass]

How can you possibly go from posting this earlier in the thread...

Explain how they get less power than they deserve.

Are you suggesting political power should be commensurate with wealth?

Or because they aren't part of the voting majority they don't have enough influence?

To posting this? Black people are 13% of the population, and there is a black democrat mayor in almost every major city in the country, NY, LA, DC, Chicago, Milwaukee, Atlanta, San Francisco, New Orleans, Memphis, and Baton Rouge, which is the topic of this thread.

Seems you are projecting here and complaining that "because black people aren't part of the voting majority they don't have enough influence", even though they have outsized influence, you're still mad because they don't have absolute control over the majority.

Baton Rouge has been under democrat control for 145 of the last 150 years. If 150 years isn't long enough for their sweet plans to finally start working, how much longer should these people be obligated to pay for failed leadership in a failed city that they don't want? Why do they not deserve to send their kids to decent schools?

I got no answer from the last guy, so maybe you can answer whether you think employees who are doing all the work at a company that is failing because of bad management should be able to leave their jobs for a better deal at another company or start their own company, or if they should be forced to stay at the failing one under worse conditions?

You just made an excellent case for black people over the past century, nobody has ever truly given a fuck about them and conservatives have repeatedly gerrymandered electoral maps to make sure they had as little power as possible.

Progressives don't divide, that's a conservative tactic, always has been. Just like blaming progressives. So many of you are in this just to "own the libs".

I don't think American democracy is good, it's completely flawed.

These people are choosing to close the door on the less fortunate. Every region has water carried by people in a better position, these ones can't stand not having majority power.

 

[Loiosh]

None of the politicians imo. They only care when it's election season. I do think there are major issues with the welfare system today. What we have been doing or the way we have gone about helping hasn't worked. We need representation that really wants to work on issues rather than continue down the same path. Americans give around 1/2 trillion in private donations plus around a trillion each medicare, medicaid and welfare funding from govt taxes each year. How the money is spent.... thats another story. When they legalized casinos... all of the money was supposed to go to education.. then we are still bottom group in education decades later

I mentioned earlier in this thread I believe there were good conservative politicians working for the good of their constituents, but MAGA has been purging them. I'm progressive so I rarely agree with their policies, but what's important is serving the will of the people who elected them.

Spending so much time on this forum since the start of the pandemic has killed what little optimism I used to have.

Pro tip: When you live alone and are isolating in a pandemic, don't spend all your time in the War Room. Very bad for the soul.

 

[oldshadow]

I see the left here is refusing to acknowledge what caused this. It was the school they were forced to send their kids to. They made an effort to address with problem first to get the school to improve them, enforce standards and they were told to shut up basically.

Their money was supporting the schools they had no say in them even with their money being thrown at them.

Ypu want to get people out of property the answer is education and parents the push that education. That's always been the answer.

It's seem the left want to drag down people that believe that to the lowest level not push the people up because it might hurt their feelings.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Ah, I see what you did there.

You're saying that by identifying the things that make us different is literally divisive. That isn't the definition of divisive I thought we were using, and it certainly isn't what people are talking about in political discussions.

I thought we were using this one:



I think you're using this one:



Is that what you mean? Is that relevant to this discussion?

Not entirely.

Intersectionality is divisive because it only seeks to divide people based on immutable characteristics.

When the FIRST thing you do is put someone into a category, you destroy any ability to see that person for WHO they actually are versus seeing WHAT they are.

To a person who believes intersectionality is paramount in society, I’m a White, Male, Cis Heterosexual, Wealthy Man.

Instead of just being Robert, I’m now, because of my immutable characteristics, limited on what I can have an opinion on, automatically part of a systemically racist privileged class.

Intersectionality, promoted by the “progressive” is inherently divisive.

 

[Cajun]

I mentioned earlier in this thread I believe there were good conservative politicians working for the good of their constituents, but MAGA has been purging them. I'm progressive so I rarely agree with their policies, but what's important is serving the will of the people who elected them.

Spending so much time on this forum since the start of the pandemic has killed what little optimism I used to have.

Pro tip: When you live alone and are isolating in a pandemic, don't spend all your time in the War Room. Very bad for the soul.

There are good and bad on both sides bud. But majority keeping the systems we have in place to keep the power. I don't agree with the btr split. We cant just start turning cities into new cities and splitting them up

 

[panamaican]

This wouldn't even matter if states funded school districts appropriately, instead of through local property taxes. Then this group could leave the other group and there wouldn't any negative implications for the schools that children will be attending.

 

[Hog-train]

It's the prerogative of the people in the suburbs if they want to leave.

I did read though it was only 17k people that made the decision. That's kind of crazy.

 

[DiddlyDoodly]

How much longer are we going to keep making excuses?

 

[Neck&Neck]

lil Boosie gonna be the mayor of Baton Rouge on West Garfield Street

 

[My name is]

I just got back from Austin.I can see how these deep blue cities become overwhelming

 

[My Spot]

- So it's similar to here. I live in the safest state in Brazil. We have other states that are very dangerous, some states are in the middle.

The biggest diference i see on USA its the racial division, and the fact that criminal there attack their own comunities. Here a criminal will get killed by other criminals for doing that.

A majority of our known homicide suspects come from roughly 6.8% of the population.

 

[My Spot]

A part of Atlanta has been trying to do that here for years (Buckhead, sometimes referred to as the Beverly Hills of the South). They contribute almost 40% of total revenue and about 50% of property tax revenue. But the movement is dead for now after the state senate voted against it.

 

[Loiosh]

Not entirely.

Intersectionality is divisive because it only seeks to divide people based on immutable characteristics.

When the FIRST thing you do is put someone into a category, you destroy any ability to see that person for WHO they actually are versus seeing WHAT they are.

To a person who believes intersectionality is paramount in society, I’m a White, Male, Cis Heterosexual, Wealthy Man.

Instead of just being Robert, I’m now, because of my immutable characteristics, limited on what I can have an opinion on, automatically part of a systemically racist privileged class.

Intersectionality, promoted by the “progressive” is inherently divisive.

I disagree with all of that. I'm confident that's your perception of intersectionality as opposed to the reality, as I described with affirmation.

Are you suggesting progressives use labels but conservatives don't? I'd counter that progressives are just more meticulous about it where conservatives use them like a cudgel. Do you not see the conservatives in this very thread dismissing me as some white liberal who doesn't even know black people instead of addressing the issues I raise?

While they're completely wrong, knowing who you're talking to is critical in effective communication. You have to work around someone's experiences and biases if you want to get through. I do my level best when talking to conservatives even if I almost always fail spectacularly.

Your opinion isn't dismissed because of who you are, but it's definitely shaped by it. When talking to you I have to consider where you're coming from if I want to deliver a message that can reach you. At the same time I have to be aware of my own experiences and biases if I want to actually hear what YOU'RE saying.

Are there people who discard opinions from rich cis white males? Of course there are, just like some people will discard opinions if they see purple hair.

I reject that this is an exclusively progressive attitude.

 

[cincymma79]

Why dont you go cry some more.

Maybe he’ll form a community and then you’ll cry about not being in it

 

[jimmas99]

Maybe he’ll form a community and then you’ll cry about not being in it

Yeah maybe if i were a cry baby or an proffesional victim, but i have a strong feeling that his community are very empty.