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are pitbulls over-rated?

Where were all the 'its the owner not the breed' guys in the man-eating lion thread?
 
Pitbulls can be a wonderful dog. All dogs can be. I think the proportion of negative data on pitbulls is due to a few factors, including

  • Negative media reinforcement - lots of studies utilise news media as a primary source, and news media responds more frequently and aggresively to 'pitbull' popularism.
  • The breed characteristics that make the breed good for fighting, guarding, killing, attract a high proportion of shitty owners. Nature Vs. nurture is therefore skewed.
  • Dog attack rates for breeds actually pretty closely follow dog ownership rates. FATAL dog attack rates heavily leans towards dogs that have the capacity to inflict fatal wounds. So naturally this more heavily follows breeds such as pitbulls.
My dog is a pitbull cross and is a wonderful animal. It is 35kg's (77lb) and could easily kill a human. It did not have good breeding, unfortunately. I have had him from 8 weeks, and treat him with love and respect. He has taken what I have given him and reflected it back to me, magnified 10 fold. The only emotions he shows are love and respect to all humans and dogs.

He has attacked a dog once - a bull terrier we encountered out in the wild when walking my jack russell with the wife. This bull terrier (unprovoked) attacked and bit down on my jack russell. I grabbed the bull terrier and restrained it against the ground, so it let go of the jack russel and it tried to attack me.

My little man locked onto the terriers face and restrained it whilst I stood up, composed myself, then grabbed the aggressive bull terrier and threw it over the fence (it had got on the wrong side of its fence on a large farm). As soon as i was in control again, my pitty cross backed off straight away. He had the opportunity to savage this dog, but he just did what he had to do to protect me, and no more. A beautiful soul. Whereas i go on a walk with him and people often malign me for how he looks. Fear mongering, no more no less.

I am sure there are bad pit bulls out there, but outside of the rare care of careless inbreeding, I believe all of the breed reputation is from nurture, not nature. Even a basic search of wikipedia backs this stance up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull#Dog_attack_risk
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#1 DOG BITE STATISTICS RESOURCE

http://www.dogsbite.org/dogsbite-recent-dog-bite-statistics.php


Empirical studies demonstrating the acute predisposition to violence among Pitbulls:

  1. http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf

  2. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2610618/

  3. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22235708

  4. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/coa.12094/abstract

  5. http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA381425

  6. http://blues.sabinet.co.za/WebZ/Aut...ext=images/ejour/m_samj/m_samj_v97_n8_a16.pdf

  7. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1424716/

  8. http://journals.lww.com/annalsofsur..._Mauling,_and_Maiming_by_Vicious_Dogs.23.aspx

Logical refutations of popular Pitbull apologism

  • Why are owners so much more likely to be bad owners if they own pits?

  • Why are witnesses so much more likely to mis-identify Pits vs. other breeds based on visual inspection? Why does this mathematically skew only one way?

  • Why are Pits' raw murder and mauling figures so absurdly high disproportionate to other large breeds that are similarly popular?

  • Where is the evidence to substantiate any of these popular, casual colloquialisms? For example, if you give a reason for why Pit Bull owners are more likely to be bad owners, do you have evidence to substantiate that?

  • Ask yourself: why are all of these rationalizations only applied to the defense of Pits, and never for other dogs?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States

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Pit bulls make up 6% of the dog population and are responsible for 68% of dog attacks and 52% of dog-related deaths since 1982 as reported in a TIME magazine story "The Problem With Pit Bulls" by Charlotte Alter, June 20, 2014.


An April 2011 issue of Annals of Surgery reported that "these breeds should be regulated in the same way other dangerous species, such as leopards, are regulated." That report was shared with Time magazine by PETA, the animal-rights organization.


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http://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/12-year-dog-bite-fatality-chart-dogsbiteorg.pdf

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Dog Bite Statistics for 2016

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2016 dog bite fatalities
Statistical information gathered by DogsBite.org is verifiable1 through collected news reports. Our Fatality Citations section documents each source used in our dog bite-related fatality research.

2016 dog bite fatality statistics
  • 31 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2016. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 900 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 71% (22) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population.2

  • Together, pit bulls (22) and rottweilers (2), the second most lethal dog breed, accounted for 77% of the total recorded deaths in 2016. This same combination also accounted for 76% of all fatal attacks during the 12-year period of 2005 to 2016.

  • The breakdown between these two breeds is substantial over this 12-year period. From 2005 to 2016, pit bulls killed 254 Americans, about one citizen every 17 days, versus rottweilers, which killed 43, a citizen every 102 days (Related graph).

  • In 2016, the combination of pit bulls (22), their close cousins, American bulldogs (2), and rottweilers (2) contributed to 84% (26) of all dog bite-related fatalities. Both American bulldog cases involved dogs acquired in Miami-Dade County, Florida.

  • Labradors and their mixes contributed to 3 deaths in 2016, followed by 6 breeds, each with 2 deaths: American bulldog, Belgian malinois, doberman pinscher, German shepherd, mixed-breed, rottweiler and 2 cases with unreleased breed data.

  • Annual data from 2016 shows that 42% (13) of the fatality victims were children ages 9-years and younger and 58% (18) were adults, ages 30-years and older. Of the total adults killed by canines in 2016, pit bulls were responsible for 67% (12).

  • In 2016, female victims (16) were greater in number than male victims (15). Among children ages 9-years and younger, male deaths were greater, 62% vs. 38% and among adults 59-years and older, female deaths outpaced males, 75% vs. 25%.

  • In 2016, infants 3 to 6-days old accounted for 31% of all child deaths. In one case, a pit bull-mix was lying in bed with the baby and its parents when it attacked. The family had adopted the dog 5-months earlier from the San Diego Humane Society.

  • 42% (13) of all dog bite fatality victims in 2016 were either visiting or living temporarily with the dog's owner when the fatal attack occurred, up from 32% in 2015. Of this subset of 13 fatalities, 77% (10) were inflicted by pit bulls.

  • In 2016, 32% (10) of attacks resulting in death involved a dog or person new to a household (0-2 month period). Children 9-years and younger accounted for 80% (8) of these deaths. Of this subset of 10 fatalities, 70% (7) were inflicted by pit bulls.

  • In 2016, 61% (19) of all fatalities involved more than one dog, up from the 11-year average of 44% (2005 to 2015). 35% (11) of all deaths involved 2 or 3 dogs and 26% (8) involved a pack attack of 4 or more dogs, up from the 11-year average of 14%.

  • 29% (9) of all dog bite fatalities in 2016 involved breeding on the dog owner's property either actively or in the recent past; pit bulls accounted for 67% of these deaths. 3% (1) involved tethered dogs, down from the 11-year average of 10%.

  • Dog ownership information for 2016 shows that non-family dogs inflicted the majority of deaths, 55% (17). Of this subset, 59% (10) were inflicted by pit bulls. Conversely, only 19% (6) of attacks resulting in death occurred off the dog owner's property.

  • Family dogs inflicted 45% (14) of all deaths in 2016; family pit bulls accounted for 86% (12) of these deaths, up from an 11-year average of 63%. Of the 22 fatal pit bull attacks, 55% (12) involved a family or household member vs. 45% (10) non-family.

  • In 2016, only 6% (2) of all deadly attacks resulted in meaningful criminal charges; the lowest level on record.3 2016 also marked the first time a police officer's "personal" attack-trained K-9 killed a person; he was charged with two felonies.

  • California led all states in fatal attacks in 2016 incurring 6 deaths; 67% of these deaths were inflicted by pit bulls. Florida, North Carolina and Texas each followed with 3 deaths. South Carolina, a routine dog bite fatality state, incurred no deaths.

  • See: Discussion notes | See: Full news release

  • See: 12-Year U.S. Dog Bite Fatality Chart by Breed (2005 to 2016)

  • See: 12-Year U.S. Dog Bite Fatality Chart by Age Groups

  • See: 2016 Fatal Dog Attack Breed Identification Photographs

  • Social Media Graphic: 2016 U.S. Dog Bite Fatality Statistics

  • Social Media Graphic: 12-Year U.S. Dog Bite Fatality Chart by Breed


Death & Mauling Statistics for Niagara Falls, NY

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Washington Post: Dog mauls owner to death during interview with BBC film crew


A man in northern London died after being mauled by his dog during an interview with a BBC documentary crew at his home, British media reported Wednesday.


Mario Perivoitos, 41, was talking with journalists at the apartment complex in London’s Wood Green neighborhood where he lived, when his Staffordshire bull terrier pounced on him, biting his neck, according to the Guardian.


The BBC crew called emergency services, who rushed Perivoitos to the hospital. He was pronounced dead two hours later.


The attack occurred March 20. An autopsy performed several days later concluded that Perivoitos died of “hypovolemic shock and damage to the airway consistent with a dog bite,” according to the BBC.

Police described the journalists as a man in his 20s and a woman in her 30s. The BBC declined to say why they were talking with Perivoitos.


The BBC said in a statement: “A crew making a BBC documentary were present — but not filming — at the time of the incident and called an ambulance. Given the ongoing inquiries, it would not be appropriate to comment further.”


Several neighbors told British media said they witnessed Perivoitos struggling to free himself from the dog’s jaws.


“I heard shouting, ‘Get him off! Get him off me!'” neighbor Geoff Morgan told the BBC. “He was shouting really loudly. He was bleeding from his neck. There was a lot of blood.”


Another neighbor told the Guardian that the dog had attacked Perivoitos at least once in recent memory.

“Six or seven months ago the dog bit him on the leg,” said the neighbor, identified only as Tayfun. “We heard him shout at the dog and he came running out with blood on his leg.”


Still, Tayfun added, Perivoitos “loved the dog more than himself.”







Independent outfit and its figures:

http://www.animals24-7.org/2018/01/17/pit-bull-roulette-killed-38000-other-animals-in-2017/

“Pit bull roulette” killed 38,000 other animals in 2017
JANUARY 17, 2018 BY MERRITT CLIFTON



(Beth Clifton collage)

Pit bulls killed 92% of dogs killed by dogs & 96% of cats killed by dogs
“Pit bull roulette” cost the lives of 38 humans, plus nearly 13,000 dogs, 5,000 cats, and more than 20,000 farmed animals in 2017––and, only two weeks into 2018, has already killed Happy Hound Hotel boarding kennel worker Laura Williams Ray, of Ouachita Parish, Louisiana, and three-year-old Rylee Marie Dodge, of Duncan, Oklahoma, along with many dozens of animals.

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Laura Ray Williams, shown at work at the Happy Hound Hotel at lower left. (Facebook photos)

Ray and Dodge were respectively the 10th and 11th humans to die in dog attacks in the 51 days between November 24, 2017 and January 14, 2018, and were the 9th and 10th humans to be killed by pit bulls.

Overall, pit bulls accounted for 68% of the human dog attack deaths in 2017, 88% of the human disfigurements, 92% of the dogs killed by other dogs, 94% of the dogs seriously injured by other dogs, 96% of the cats killed by dogs, and 74% of the farmed animals killed by dogs.

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Rylee Marie Dodge

What is “pit bull roulette”?
“Pit bull roulette” is the gamble that a pit bull can be safely introduced into proximity to other living beings.

“Pit bull roulette” could be called “playing chicken,” except that chickens, unlike pit bull owners and advocates, have better sense than to do anything of the sort.

Common variants of “pit bull roulette” include “sidewalk roulette,” “dog park roulette,” “animal shelter adoption roulette,” which killed five humans in 2017, “kennel roulette,” the variant that killed Ray, and “household roulette,” the variant that killed Dodge.

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(Beth Clifton photo)

Typically the victims––who are sometimes the players––have no idea that their lives have been gambled.

The more living beings to whom a pit bull is exposed, or the more pit bulls are part of the scenario, the higher the odds that one or more living beings will be killed or injured.

Nearly 50,000 dogs, including nearly 47,000 pit bulls, killed or injured humans or other pets and/or farmed animals in the U.S. during 2017.

One pit bull in 80 kills an animal or human in any given year
Since there are only about 3.7 million pit bulls in the U.S. at any given time, the odds start at about one chance in 80 that any given pit bull will kill a human or animal in any given year––compared to about one chance in 24,666 that any given dog of any other breed will kill any pet or farmed animal.

That’s right: the odds are 308 times higher that a pit bull will kill a human, pet, or farmed animal in any given year than that a dog other than a pit bull will.

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This pit bull raced unattended into a busy supermarket, but Beth Clifton caught him before anyone was hurt. (Beth Clifton photo)

Multiply that one chance in 80 by the 10-year average lifespan of a dog, and about one pit bull in eight will become a killer––if the pit bull lives a normal lifespan. With a turnover rate of nearly 33% per year, and 50% for adult pit bulls, most do not live even half a normal lifespan.

Risk compared with driving
By way of further comparison, the odds are about one chance in 520 that any given licensed driver will be involved in an accident that kills a human in any given year, and one chance in 62 that a driver will roadkill an animal during the year.

(See Roadkill counts, 1937-2006, showed longterm decline.)

In other words, keeping or being around a pit bull starts out being almost as dangerous as driving, long recognized as the most dangerous thing that the average American does.

But vehicular safety is subject to strict regulation.

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(Beth Clifton photo)

Drivers are required to be heavily insured, and to take classes and pass tests before they get a driving permit. Both drivers and passengers are required to wear seat belts.

Traffic lights and stop signs at every intersection reduce the risk of collision.

Nothing stops speed freaks or drunks from walking their pit bulls
Police patrol the roads around the clock to try to intercept speeders and drunk drivers.

No similar measures exist to limit the risk from pit bulls. Anyone, including drunks, can take a pit bull almost anywhere, without passing any safety tests and without being insured.

And, as with driving, any reckless behavior can markedly increase the odds that a pit bull will kill or injure another living being.

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Pit bull attacks smaller dog. (YouTube)

Injuries to other animals
Incidentally, pit bulls seriously injure other dogs almost as often as killing them outright. Of the estimated 17,325 dogs seriously injured by other dogs in the U.S. in 2017, 16,263––94%––were pit bull victims.

Cats and poultry too seldom survived dog attack injuries in reported cases to project how many might have been injured.

Of the 9,600 hoofed animals believed to have been killed by dogs in 2017, about 6,075 (63%) were killed by pit bulls. Of the 7,950 hoofed animals believed to have been attacked by dogs who survived, 5,516 (69%) were attacked by pit bulls.

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(Beth Clifton collage)

How the numbers are estimated
How are the “pit bull roulette” numbers for animal attacks derived?

First, ANIMALS 24-7 collects and logs published accounts of dog attacks on other pets and farmed animals throughout each year, just as we have collected accounts of fatal and disfiguring dog attacks on humans since 1982.

However, fatal dog attacks on humans are always reported by news media––we are unaware of any verified exceptions––and disfiguring dog attacks on humans often make news, though there is a significant under-reporting factor.

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Police officer shooting pit bull who attacked him in Nampa, Idaho.

Compensating for under-reporting
Comparing published accounts to insurance industry payout data indicates that only about one human injury in 25 that results in a payout involves a disfigurement reported by media. In other words, the disfigurement data we track amounts to only the worst 4% of serious dog bites.

By contrast, we have learned from reviewing accounts of dog attacks on other pets and farmed animals that they are almost never reported unless either of three other circumstances were involved in the same incident: a human was killed or disfigured in the same attack; law enforcement shot the attacking dog or dogs at the scene; or farmed animals valued at more than $1,000 were killed.

Also, dog attacks on other pets and farmed animals belonging to the same household are almost never reported, unless a human is killed or disfigured in the same attack.

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(Beth Clifton collage)

The algebra
We experimented with several different methods of accounting for the under-reporting factor, before discovering that applying the same factor involved in reporting human injuries produces the most consistent results from year to year, with one adjustment: the reported numbers from documented attacks should be multiplied by at least three, to compensate for non-reporting of attacks occurring within the dogs’ own households and attacks in which no one is seriously injured, the attacking dog or dogs are not killed, and there is no loss of animals with market value of more than $1,000.

Our formula, accordingly, is that reported dog attacks on other pets and farmed animals are presumed to be 4% of the cases that might result in insurance claims, with the total number three times as high.

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(Beth Clifton photo)

If “R” stands for “reported dog attacks” and “U” for “unreported dog attacks, the algebra is R/4×100 x 3(R+U) = total.

Other breeds & unidentified attackers
ANIMALS 24-7 logged fatal attacks on other pets and farmed animals by 13 breed categories other than pit bull in 2017, including 14 attacks by German shepherds and German shepherd mixes, 12 attacks by huskies, seven attacks by Rottweilers, three each by Labrador retrievers, two each by Lab mixes, mastiffs, and St. Bernards, and one each by border collie, cane corso, Doberman, mastiff/husky mix, pointer, and Rhodesian ridgeback.

The German shepherd and German shepherd mix total projects to 1,100 animals killed; the husky total to 900; and the Rottweiler total to 525.

The 5% of attacks in which the attacking dogs were unidentified were proportionately allocated among the breeds involved in the other 95%.

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Pit bull attacking horse.

(From YouTube video.)

Hoofed animals & poultry
Attacks on farmed animals, listed as “Other” animals in the appended chart, may be divided into two categories: hoofed animals, including mostly sheep, cattle, horses, and goats, and poultry, mostly chickens.

The numbers of hoofed animals killed by dogs each year are approximately as consistent as the numbers of dogs and cats. The numbers of poultry killed tend to fluctuate widely, because of the very high numbers killed in the worst reported incidents, in which dogs––usually pit bulls––break into commercial poultry barns.

The lowest figures for “other,” from 2016, reflect that we received few reports of dog attacks on commercial poultry barns during that year. Thus the 2016 “other” totals were projected mostly from attacks on hoofed animals, whereas the 2017 “other” projection included several of the most serious attacks on commercial poultry barns of which we have record.

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Here is an internet blog post from a random user called “Halifax” at the Sherdog off-topic forums describing the intellectual dishonesty within the underbelly of the internet’s “Pitbull Expert” subculture including citation of specific threads/discussion to substantiate his claims:

Have you ever been to gopitbull.com?

Its a pro Pitbull forum with owners all giving advise. On the surface it is all the same "Pits are misjudged" type people extolling the virtues of Pitbulls. In the main forum area.

But if you go into the behavioral section in training where new Pit owners ask for advise, it is a huge 180.

They suggest euthanizing at the slightest sign of aggression towards people and flat out state that many pits are untrainable and it is their instinct to attack other animals and kids depending on their prey drive and that you CANNOT train it out of them so you NEED to euthanize. They use the phrase "Crate and rotate" over and over and over, suggesting you better get used to a 1 pet household if you get a pit.


These are the VIP long term pit owners who know what they are dealing with, and while they maintain a solid united front on the main forums that Pits are loving gentle dogs and it is all how you raise them, they show their true feelings on how dangerous and untrainable a lot of pits are when "new" pit owners come asking for advise
 
I keep seeing fear mongering and crazy stories on here that just have not matched with my real world experiences. my dog and i have had numerous run ins with bullies and even when they get in a scuffle the pits havent latched on or even been overly aggressive. compared to other dogs we've run across they seem to relatively docile. The only crazy one was owned by a super sketchy gang banger type.



TLDR
pitbull violence is in large part ownership and possibly inbreeding resulting in mental disorders as is this case with many pure breeds
Please share the link where pitbulls are rated. I have no idea where in the dog rankings they are.
 
It depends.

If you're trying to look poor they're the perfect fit.
 
Wow I really regretted opening that spoiler. WTF MAN!!! Ain’t nobody reading all that lol I got annoyed just having to scroll past it xD
 
Problem is if they snap they can do serious damage. I got rid of my pit after my cousin's killed her three Chihuahuas. The dogs had been living together fine for over a year then one day she came home and two Chihuahuas were dead and one had to be put down later

How old was the pit?
This is actually a pretty typical story.

The very small amount of times I've met a pit, they were very gentle and chill.

It really is just a fact that shitty people tend to want a pitbull. Not the dogs fault. I tend to believe if a pit is raised the way they should be, there will be zero issues.

They can do damage but there should not be any reason for them to snap if they are raised correctly.

Snap on humans? Or other animals? On humans, I tend to agree, but nobody with a brain should chance leaving any child under the age of 18 with one alone.

In comparison to gun laws, it is akin to arguing you should be allowed to own a grenade launcher as opposed to a rifle. The potential for damage is much more severe if it goes wrong.

In terms of animal aggression, No matter how you raise most APBT's, They will ALWAYS have that inborn instinct to attack and kill other dogs and sometimes, small animals. So no matter how well you train it, you can never train this out of them and must keep your guard up 100% of the time. Forever. That one time you are sure your Pit will respond to verbal commands and it doesn't is what we always hear about for a reason.

This is not opinion or media, it is fact. And go to any pro Pitbull forum where professional long term pit owners give training advice and they will tell you the same if you ask "how can I train my dog to leave other animals alone". The answer is always "You can't, you must remain vigilant 100% of the time and never let your guard down for the rest of the dog's life and get used to a one animal household or begin crate and rotate with your dogs or they will kill each other"

This false narrative that you can train it out of them is one of the most dangerous misconceptions about the dog. People convince themselves that the tales of Pits attacking other dogs are all how you raise it and see nothing but friendly puppy who is more scared of other dogs than aggressive...........Until puberty and head into maturity. Then one day it seems to be hanging out friendly with other dogs and then suddenly snap and will not let go, capable of doing devastating damage in seconds.

If the dog shows the slightest aggression towards children despite not having followed through, they usually suggest euthanizing the dog immediately so as not to take the chance. These are the types of advice given by Pro-Pitbull advocates with years of experience training them.

http://www.gopitbull.com/pitbull-behavior/191602-today-s-trip-dog-park.html
Any bull breed or pit mix has a genetic predisposition towards dog aggression. Sometimes it doesn’t show at all, sometimes it’s towards all other dogs, sometimes it’s selective and only towards some other dogs. For this reason these dogs don’t belong in a dog park. And once these dogs get a good bite they DO NOT let go. That’s why this happened and will happen again. I strongly suggest you avoid dog parks and get and learn how to use a break stick. It’s the safest way for all involved (dogs and people) to separate the dogs and dislodge the bite.

I have several dog parks in my area that I take my two mutts to but we only ever stay if we’re alone there. I have occasionally stayed if there is only one other dog there but that’s rare and only if they get along after leashed introductions.

Even if there is a problem and it’s NOT your dogs fault, it WILL be blamed on him due to breed alone. It’s a shame but true.

http://www.gopitbull.com/pitbull-behavior/189858-5-month-female-aggressive-help.html
You have every right to be concerned and to be honest, your best bet is to keep them separated at all times through a crate and rotate. Bull breeds have a genetic predisposition to DA (dog aggression). It's in their genes. Not all show it and some only show it selectively but it sounds like it very well could be the start or signs of DA in Emmy. You're also absolutely right that Emmy would do a lot of damage to either of your other two dogs and seriously hurt either of them or potentially kill them if they were to get into it. Without having any bull breed experience, I would STRONGLY suggest crate and rotate with Emmy, doing A LOT of reading here, and getting the help of a trained and certified behaviorist. Obedience training is a good start but not going to be enough help in your situation. A behaviorist will teach you about your dogs and how to safely handle them. DA cannot be trained out but it can be managed.

In the meantime, keep them separated, closely monitored, get and learn how to use a break stick, and NEVER feed them together - no food, treats, toys,etc when they are together. Please be careful and do some reading. This has the potential to become a VERY serious and dangerous situation in a split second. If you don't know how to use a break stick or handle a dog fight safely, PLEASE keep them separated. If not you are putting your dogs and yourself potentially in a lot of danger and it's not worth it.

http://www.gopitbull.com/pitbull-behavior/189225-5-month-old-aggressive.html
Don't own a Pit Bull.

Not meaning that in rude manner either. It's really how I would answer that question. Look, if I wanted fido to be playful with rabbits, I wouldn't go out and get a beagle. If I wanted a dog that wouldn't go in my ponds constantly I probally wouldn't get a Labrador. If I needed my dog to be welcoming of strangers I wouldn't go get a cane corso. See where I'm going with this?

If wanted to go to dog parks and have doggie play dates or wanted a dog that was going to be OK around other dogs, I probably wouldn't get a breed who's sole purpose of being was dog fighting. Lmao.

Best advice I could give you is

A.) Give the dog to someone who understands what they have.

or

B.)

Take the proper measures to ensure your not setting the dog up to fail, learn about the breed and be responsible. If the dog is firing up around other dogs the answer is really quite simple, keep it away from other dogs....

No amount of training will ever over ride centuries of selective breeding. Now, My original comment was more for those whom have the real APBT. Don't take your dog to a dog park. All it does when someone sees that little pup firing up is add to negative stigmata that shrouds the breed. This breed does not need doggie friends. It needs it's owners to be responsible enough to know what they have at the end of the leash and avoid setting the dog up to fail. Taking one of these dogs to a dog park us the dumbest shit I ever heard. Most of these dogs, if they are truly the real APBT bred to standard will not tolerate another dog challenging it and many will act out simply because that is what every fiber of its being is telling it to do from many many year's of selective breeding. Most anyone respectable involved in this breed that knows anything at all about them would tell you the same. In the end people do what they want just know, if your dog latches on to another, expect to be the one at fault no matter what the situation is simply because of the breed of dog you chose. irresponsible ownership is the #1 reason people hate these dogs and BSL is a major problem with the breed. Do all of us a favor who own the dog and don't add to the problem. Realize what you have and take the appropriate steps to keep it out of trouble.
 
http://www.gopitbull.com/pitbull-behavior/187474-need-help-female-siblings-fighting.html

I have two female pitbulls that are sisters. Two months ago they kept getting into horrible fights. I'm not a very strong girl and I would have an extremely hard time getting them apart. I'm not sure what the fights were over because it wasn't over food, toys, or anything like that. They would literally happen out of no where. Well I was told getting them fixed would maybe help, so I did. And last month they were fine. They didn't have any fights, until two days ago they got into another horrible fight. I love them both so much so I don't want to get rid of one. I'm at a lost because I don't know what else to do. I called training placing and they tell me to re home one or they told me they will never be able to be by each other again. They are normally best friends. Anyone have any suggestions or anything to help me!
Unfortunately fighting is part of this breed of dogs nature and keeping them separate is the only thing you can do to prevent them from fighting if they are at this point. crate and rotate as said is your best option.

Some dogs will not have such bad issues with fighting, so people will try to convince you they can be trained to get along due to them having seen one other pit bull type dog that liked dogs, but that's not true. This is genetic behavior and when they display these traits you need to do whats right to keep them safe from harming each other.
Everyone keeps saying to keep them separate, but they are best friends 98% of the time. They don't fight barely ever, but when they do it's bad. So you guys really don't think training and teaching them I'm the one in charger and neither one of them is the alpha female is going to do anything?
No, unfortunately you cannot train out DA (dog aggression) in the bull breed dogs. It's not a dominance issue, it's a genetic predisposition to aggression towards other dogs inherent in pit bulls. It's like asking if you can do something to make sure your kids eyes are blue instead of brown. I know that's not the answer you're looking for but it's the truth. Four of us here who know these dogs have told you that, as have whatever training places you contacted prior to reaching out here. If you keep asking and looking in different places, someone is bound to tell you it's OK and you can 'fix' it or train them out of it. Whoever tells you that is only putting you and both dogs in harms way. Dog fights don't just happen out of no where, though it may appear that way. There is always something, whether it be in their body language or a look or food or whatever, but there is always something in the way the dogs communicate with each other that sets it off. It may only happen 2% of the time but that's enough to cause serious harm to you or either dog, especially if you can't read their body language yet and/or have trouble separating them. That's just serious trouble waiting to happen. Please don't interpret my post as having any ill intent towards you; that's not the case, I just want to try to help you understand the situation and help try to keep everyone safe.

If you want to keep both dogs, the only responsible and safe thing to do for your sake and theirs is a crate and rotate routine. Many people do it and you can have a long and satisfying relationship with both dogs keeping both dogs happy and healthy this way.

http://www.gopitbull.com/pitbull-be...ull-doesnt-get-along-other-dogs-we-think.html
You can't train away dog aggression as it is genetic. Unless you are prepared to live a crate and rotate lifestyle, keeping them apart at all times, then I don't recommend you take on another dog.
Part of owning a bull breed is accepting that you may end up stuck as a single pet home.
You can probably find a behaviorist who can help you work on your dogs focus to alleviate the acting a fool on leash issue. But if your dog is aggressive towards other animals it's just not safe to attempt another pet, much less another bull breed.
http://www.gopitbull.com/pitbull-behavior/186090-aggressive-puppy-women-children.html
Hi Jeffrey and I'm so sorry to hear about your situation. Although I don't necessarily agree with everything your trainer told you I do agree that teaching Roscoe to focus is the only chance you MAY have. Agression towards people is definitely not a bully breed trait as they are known to love people, men, women and children alike. This is a very unfortunate situation but if it were me and what I believe is the right thing to do here is the euthanize. I'm sorry to be a beater of bad news but you just can't take the risk, especially when children are involved.
First, welcome to the forum. Sorry it is under these circumstances.

I fully agree. Through no fault of yours the dog is unbalanced, could have been abuse or just bad breeding. I have a no tolerance rule when children are involved. As much as you are attached to the dog and as difficult it may be, IMO putting the dog down is the only choice.

It is not just shitbag owners who should not own this dog. It is also first time dog owners, and owners who believe the silly lying narrative that you can train these dogs to be super friendly. It is just not true. You can control the situation and react before something happens, but that means vigilance.
 
Why so hostile?
They're poorly bred piece's of shit that are bred solely for looks. They represent everything wrong with the dog world. Since they're so commonly confused with actual APBT's, they give real Pit Bulls a bad name whenever they do stupid shit.
 
This is an American Pit Bull Terrier. He's one of the best to ever wear a collar.

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This is an American Bully. I wouldn't waste a single cup of food on this piece of shit. One way to tell is the the color "blue", which looks gray, isn't an accepted color in American Pit Bull Terriers.

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Fighter bashing <Deported1>
 
there are alot of "guess the real pit bull" games on line, most people cannot correctly guess the real pure bred pit, most of the negativity comes from the trash "pitbulls" that are around now.

my pure bread pit was one of my favorite dogs ever, secound only to my 1/2 timber wolf 1/2 pit mix, that was the best one i ever had.
 
So a pitbull attacked and killed a dog in my city a few days ago.

last week was driving down the street and watch as some clowns had to hold back their 4-legged weapon as it was trying to lunge at people on the sidewalk.

But yeah, they're just a misunderstood breed.
 
http://www.gopitbull.com/pitbull-behavior/187474-need-help-female-siblings-fighting.html






http://www.gopitbull.com/pitbull-be...ull-doesnt-get-along-other-dogs-we-think.html

http://www.gopitbull.com/pitbull-behavior/186090-aggressive-puppy-women-children.html



It is not just shitbag owners who should not own this dog. It is also first time dog owners, and owners who believe the silly lying narrative that you can train these dogs to be super friendly. It is just not true. You can control the situation and react before something happens, but that means vigilance.

unfortunately its really not the dogs fault, you have so many inbread "pits" that arent right in the head, from breeding issues.

every few generations you have a dog become popular and are massivly inbread and problems arrise.

i dont know how old you are but when i was younger pitt bull attacks and aggression when raised as family pets was never an issue, it was with DALMATIONS, thats right dalmations, since 101 dalmations came out every kid wanted one, and puppy farms where inbreading the shit out of them, owning a dalmation at this time was like inviting satan into your home, they were on the news for unwarrented attacks on kids and other animals constatly they became unpopular and the breeding went back to normal and its safe to own one with kids and other animals again.
 
Potential unstable temperaments. The movie "101 Dalmatians" set this breed up as a fad breed, which means unknowledgeable people tried to cash in on the breed's popularity by breeding every Dalmatian they could get their hands on. This resulted in a high number of Dalmatians with neurotic or hyperactive temperaments. Things are better now, but you still need to be careful of your sources!"

http://www.yourpurebredpuppy.com/reviews/dalmatians.html
 
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