Arab-Israeli Conflict, v2: What the UN Jerusalem vote mean for Israel, the U.S, and Palestine

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Arab-Israeli Conflict, Part 2:

Arab-Israeli Conflict, Part 1:
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Now this, has potential to bad.
 
Wasn't most of the city constructed by Jews? I'd say they have a stronger claim to the city than the invaders.

Either way, if we're going by who was there first, who made the city or just by whoever the hell America wants, the Jews get it.
 
Hey, remember that time when they told us that Trump was anti-Jew despite having a sea of Jews involved in his campaign and administration? Yeah...
 
For fuck sakes. Israel has been quiet lately and now shits going to hit the fan once again (And it will). I'm not against this but it's been nice not hearing all the drama that area brings lately and here we go again...

Incoming deaths by cars and stabbing.
 
LuchaBear said:
For fuck sakes. Israel has been quiet lately and now shits going to hit the fan once again (And it will). I'm not against this but it's been nice not hearing all the drama that area brings lately and here we go again...

Incoming deaths by cars and stabbing.
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Not just that, but it would likely stir up jihadi angst against the Western Great White Satan more than we already enjoy.
 
JbModest said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/01/us/politics/trump-embassy-israel-jerusalem.html

Is the shit going to hit the fan on this one?
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I remember listening to a podcast/youtube talk with a few Israeli's a while back saying that if trump did move the emnassy to Jeruselem that car bombs are going to start exploding in Israel. They were dead certain of it too, they just didn't think he'd actually go through with it though.This is just stirring up tensions which will cost lives for no good reason.
 
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When is that Israel and trump investigation starting.......oh wait.........
 
Rematch said:
Hey, remember that time when they told us that Trump was anti-Jew despite having a sea of Jews involved in his campaign and administration? Yeah...
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I heard he was anti-Islam as well, but look at his buddies the Saudis.

Trump is butt buddies with the craziest Muslims in the world.
 
White House considering recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital soon
By Elise Labott, Michelle Kosinski and Nicole Gaouette | November 30, 2017

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Washington (CNN) The Trump administration is seriously considering recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel in early December, even as President Donald Trump signs a waiver to keep the embassy in Tel Aviv for another six months, sources tell CNN.

Two senior administration officials and allies close to the US tell CNN that Trump is in the final stages of a decision to announce the recognition and whether to move the US embassy to Jerusalem when he signs the waiver on Monday.

Though debate on the issue continues within the administration, officials from countries closely allied to the US say a plan under consideration would have Trump announce he is signing the waiver for the last time, so that his administration has time to plan the transition of its diplomatic mission.

Trump is personally involved in the discussions, and both he and US Ambassador to Israel David Friedman back the plan to recognize Jerusalem as the Israeli capital, these sources say. One plan under serious consideration is to have Friedman work in Jerusalem after the announcement, while the embassy remains in Tel Aviv, a plan initially floated when Friedman was nominated.

The sources tell CNN that Trump hasn't yet decided whether the announcement will specify that West Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, as opposed to the eastern part of the city, which Palestinians want to claim as their own seat of government.

There is also discussion within the administration about including some element that lessens the blow for Palestinians, such as an announcement that through future negotiations, East Jerusalem could become the the Palestinian capital.

That geographical nuance could be crucial, analysts say, and perhaps ease some of the diplomatic and regional security concerns that this decision could create.

While Israel claims Jerusalem as its seat of government, no foreign embassies are located there, as the international community sees it as an issue to be settled as part of a broader peace agreement. Israel captured Jerusalem from Jordan during the 1967 war.

Formal US recognition of Jerusalem as the Israeli capital would set the US apart from all its allies. Recognition would likely anger Palestinians and disrupt administration attempts to forge a peace agreement, which Trump has called "the ultimate deal" and which are being led by his son-in-law and adviser Jared Kushner.

Such recognition also could raise deep security concerns for US embassies and businesses across the Middle East and beyond. Jerusalem is home to the third holiest site in Islam and has deep resonance for Muslims all over the world, who might react to an announcement with anger and protests.

"How it's said will be hugely important," David Makovsky, a senior fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, said of such an announcement. "If you talk about all of Jerusalem, it will doom American peace efforts and there will be violence."

Even if the administration tries to soften the announcement by differentiating between west and east Jerusalem, Makovsky points to the central and very emotional importance the holy city holds for Jews and Muslims. He and other analysts say the concern is that the decision will anger Palestinians and Muslims so deeply that attempted distinctions between east and west will get lost.

"Will nuance go over, both on the Trump side and on the Arab side? I don't know," Makovsky said. "I can't speak to that. It could be the emotional dimension of Jerusalem will even overtake talk of 'west Jerusalem.' "

Ilan Goldenberg, a senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security, says that means a risk of widespread protests across the Middle East, with the obvious targets being US diplomatic compounds. "You could especially see the targeting of American diplomatic facilities and protests," he said.

Vice President Mike Pence could experience that potential turmoil, as he is set to travel to Israel and Egypt in late December to discuss security concerns, Iran and the Israeli-Palestinian peace negotiations. Speaking Tuesday in New York, Pence said Trump is "actively considering when and how" to make good on his campaign pledge to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem.
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/30/politics/trump-israel-considering-jerusalem-capital/index.html
 
Israel fired some missiles at Syria today. 4 out of 7 were shot down by air defense.
 
Joe_Armstrong said:
Arabs and Isreali's both are troublemakers.
But if I have to pick sides I pick the Jews, since none of their
men rape, attack and bomb the people of the countries they live in,
on a massive scale.
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Yes, but why would you want to choose between turf sandwich and giant douche?
 
spritzlackieren said:
Converts only because of threat of death or economic sanction.
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Not true across board. Egyptians and most north African were converts. Russian Muslims also were and many or most in central asia
 
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