on transgender women with sexual violence or crimes on their record. i know its true because NOBODY from the trans community has leveled a defense against it. but here is some proof. its not up for debate unless you are going to be a hack about it.
https://fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-prisoners/
From the source inside your link:
That means that it's unlikely that as many as half of all transgender prisoners have been convicted of a sexual offence - once you take into account those trans prisoners who weren't surveyed.
Transgender journalist and campaigner Jane Fae warns against reading too much into the available figures.
"The real danger is that the public are likely to misinterpret them in a way that will create unwarranted hostility toward the minority under the microscope. The fall-out in terms of violence and abuse will, in some cases, be significant."
you said--
it's not taking protections away. i don't even understand what protections are being taken away. like i said, i don't even think employers have a right to know if someone is trans or not. it's up to the employee to self identify if they choose. and again, trans women aren't afforded any benefits of being a man. again, you haven't addressed this point yet.
i cannot help but think you are being a hack again here and arguing in bad faith. you cant not understand my point. ill state it again but if you pretend not to understand again or dont address it then your admittance that you have been arguing in bad faith is a bad faith statement.
there is funding for WOMEN that is set aside for WOMEN because of studies based on WOMENS issues. if you want to give those benefits and quota positions to MEN you are defacto taking away from WOMEN.
why do you get obnoxious?
Again, address what I’m saying. A trans woman is NOT afforded any benefits of being male in hiring. AND you have trans men who are leaving the pool of woman.
i want you to address why that is a better position than studying TRANSPEOPLES issue and setting aside funding for those TRANASPEOPLE rather than taking funding for WOMEN and giving it to them. i honestly think you are shortchanging trans people here and women and cannot make a good case for it.
First, funding isn’t just additive. You either need more funds or you reallocate funds.
Trans people aren’t forced to identify as trans. It’s up to them. Trans women are not the same as trans men as well. Again, you’re acting as if trans are taking something that doesn’t belong to them. But most trans women face a greater struggle in achieving equal treatment than cis women. They just get included as women if they are identifying as women (and men if they identify as a man). And as just noted, trans men are leaving the pool as trans women are entering them.
i dont understand what you are trying to say here at all--
"first, trans women are less than 1% of the population. 2nd, they aren't treated as men. 3rd, how would you even go about defining "trans benefits"? 4th, trans men are taken out of the pool as well if they are identifying as men. so you are ok with the outs from the system, but object to the ins?"
here below you again begin to cast doubt about my motives rather than address my positions and regress to thinking that reasonable people cannot disagree on policy positions. this is the kind of bad faith argument you are known for and that i thought i cornered you into admitting.....
i don't think your position is intellectual. i think it's emotional. in the end, its a tiny issue and it affords groups that are overcoming historical disadvantages.
Dude, wtf? You said MY position was anti-intellectual. I don’t think you have a monopoly or the upper hand on “intellectual”.
you are once again not answering my questions and falling into some kind of pretend interrogation rather than a conversation. (you accused another poster of the same thing above lol) its really low level conversation with you....
you’re a puzzling poster. I’m discussing in good faith and you seem to take offense. I don’t get it.
i want YOU to make a case for why it is necessary to give spaces, funding and quotas to trans people that are reserved for women rather than doing the scientific diligence to identity trans issues and provide funding spaces and quotas to help that specific community.
Again, we don’t even have forced identification of whether someone is trans. If they present themselves as a woman, they face the challenges of a woman. They get treated as a woman (or worse of course).
you ASSUME thats the right thing to do but have NEVER provided a reasoned argument why. and i have asked repeatedly for you to do that. i do not believe you can make a necessary case for that.
if you are just going back to arguing in bad faith you are wasting my time man.
Dude, stop the accusations. I’m discussing in good faith. If you don’t like it stop posting but just stop with the accusations.
I asked you to repeat your position that I don’t remember. If you don’t want to, we can’t discuss your position.
The reasoned argument is that trans women present as a women, often get treated as women, and we don’t force trans to identify themselves nor should we.