A House Divided..... on tax reform.

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Well it looks like Paul Ryan can't balance the budget with tax reform without the Border Adjustment Tax and it's dividing the GOP.

He's also hoping Trump won't put forth any plan because he's scared of what it will be.

On one side people want revenue neutral tax reform and on the other side people want to protect American purchasing power.

Will the GOP fail to pass the biggest issue they had on their platform?

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/paul-ryan-tax-reform-republicans-235117

The sequence was an ominous sign for a linchpin of Ryan’s tax plan — and perhaps for the prospects of tax reform happening at all. The border adjustment tax would generate more than a trillion dollars over a decade; there’s no obvious way to replace that money, which is needed to help pay for a steep cut in corporate and income taxes.

In meetings with administration officials and Senate leaders, Ryan has framed his proposal as a compromise between a tariff, which the president wants, and conservative orthodoxy against border taxes. He has suggested it's in keeping with President Donald Trump’s “America first” mantra, since it would reward American manufacturers that make products here and sell it abroad.

But the idea is sharply dividing Republicans — even within the White House.

Trump's chief strategist Steve Bannon likes it, but the president’s chief economic adviser, Gary Cohn, is opposed, according to people who have talked with them. Trump himself has acknowledged he doesn’t think much of the proposal, though he has said he will keep an open mind.

Many Republican senators say privately they detest the concept, fretting that it will hurt their in-state retailers like Walmart, which is headquartered in Cotton's state of Arkansas. Senate Finance Chairman Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), sources said, has warned Trump and Ryan that border adjustment won't likely have the support needed to clear the Senate.

Hatch, in an interview after Ryan's presentation, said the speaker “didn’t cover [the border adjustment proposal] as specifically as I would have liked.” And Sen. Roy Blunt of Missouri, the fifth-ranking GOP senator, said the Finance Committee will likely go a “different way.”

Others were more unequivocal.

“It’s beyond a complication. It’s a bad economic proposition,” said Sen. David Perdue (R-Ga.).

That’s not to mention Ryan’s issue in his own chamber. A handful of Ways and Means Republicans — including some with close ties to Trump — are fretting that retailers slapped with an import tax will ultimately pass the cost onto consumers. One member of the tax-writing Ways and Means Committee, Rep. Jim Renacci (R-Ohio), asked his chairman Wednesday to hold hearings on the proposal.

The clock is ticking for Ryan. Senior House Republican sources told POLITICO that if the border adjustment proposal is not included in Trump’s tax blueprint, set to be unveiled in the coming weeks, it could be even tougher to rally Republicans to the idea. Supporters of Ryan’s proposal are crossing their fingers that Trump doesn’t introduce a detailed tax plan at all, worried it could complicate their work.

A source familiar with the White House’s thinking said it’s unlikely Trump would try to push through the border-adjustment tax if key administration officials and senators are still divided over it.

“It’s fair to say there’s a lot of questions about how it would work and the assumptions on which it’s based,” said Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn (R-Texas).

During a news conference Thursday, Ryan downplayed questions about opposition to the border adjustment tax and argued some people simply don’t understand how it works. Holding up reporters’ tape recorders as props, he explained how an American-made recorder is taxed much more than a Japanese product. His idea, he added, would make American businesses more competitive worldwide.

Senior House Republican sources who back him say the House has been working on tax reform for years and has already considered numerous financing mechanisms. But all of them have set off firestorms within various industries. A border adjustment tax, they say, is the best option on a limited menu.

Without it, they contend, tax reform will die.
 
If your plan requires a 20% border adjustment tax, which is going to get passed on to the consumer and impact the middle and lower class the most, then it is simply not a good plan.

Many members of the GOP know this will hurt people in there states and are simply not going to sign on for it.
 
I really dislike Paul Ryan. Republican tax policy has been a disaster for the country. Look at W's cuts and trickle down economics in general. But, it will be fun seeing all the faux conservatives defending Trump's budget and spending increases.
 
If I were him I'd double the democrats tax and cut the republicans

give everybody what they want
 
The GOP control the HW, Senate, and House and they are already folding like lawn chairs.
 
Wadda ya know, turns out it's easier to complain about tax policy than pass a functional one
 
It's a fucking terrible proposal and it shows that Ryan's previous proposals of similar tax cuts being balanced by growth were truly fantasy land stuff. If anyone needed more evidence that the GOP is looking out for big business, even at the expense of regular people, you now have it. Ryan would also love to repeal Obamacare even without a replacement and privatize social security. That guy would do real harm to this country and let's just hope his colleagues have the integrity to stand up to this nonsense.
 
Tariffs out outdated and go against what Americans really thrive on -- cheap goods and plentiful choices. What they need to do is cut bloated programs, altruistic based programs , incentivize home grown / developed business, implement increased R&D tax breaks and close loopholes.

Or, just keep taxes as it, increase tax credits, cut wealth transfer programs while funding public works and pay off the deficit.

Or, use this first round to slowly implement tax plan without the tariffs, slowly cut spending and income taxes and see how that goes.

Slow drips -- not massive overhaul.
 
Top marginal rate should be 50% and capital gains should be taxed at the same rate as income.
 
In the land of tax & spend Republicans, there is no doodie-free zone.
 
Of all the reasons i have for wondering how the fuck "regular" Americans could vote for the GOP this is the biggest "WTF"!! Its like the white middle class want to struggle more and let the rich get richer. The GOP is impressive how they manage to scam its voter base.
 
Of all the reasons i have for wondering how the fuck "regular" Americans could vote for the GOP this is the biggest "WTF"!! Its like the white middle class want to struggle more and let the rich get richer. The GOP is impressive how they manage to scam its voter base.
Identity politics at its finest
 
i say scrap the corporate tax cuts, or reduce them to a more marginal level

those orgs will get mad, clearly, but what are they going to do.....switch to supporting DEM candidates in the future? doubt it

it will be the DEMs, assuming it ever happens, that close the tax loopholes taht allow for outsourcing and other means of diverting our nominally highest corporate tax rate in the world. I get that if you in theory cut it, corps have more incentive to keep revenues here domestically, but that's assuming it's the tax rate that is really causing those issues.

It could just as much be the labor and environmental laws/regulations that are causing outsourcing and the loss of manufacturing.
 
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