A reminder: Verbal contracts are binding

[Alpha_T83]

The UFC made the fight with Islam Makhachev and then "cancelled it" -- but Makhachev isn't very intelligent and tipped his hand. He said he'd agree to fight "when the UFC give him a 10 top opponent as was promised".

99% chance what happened here is the UFC offered Makhachev the fight and he agreed, then he realized his opponent wasn't top 10, and backed out of the fight. This is illegal. Once Makhachev agrees verbally to the fight, it's on. There's no way the UFC would make the fight "official" without getting a verbal agreement from both parties.

The UFC should honestly sue Makhachev to put him in his place. Chael Sonnen made a video discussing this -- you cannot verbally agree to a fight, and then back out days later.


Edit: For Makhachev clearly thinks he has to "sign papers" to make a legally binding bout agreement. This is simply not true. If he verbally agreed, that's it. The papers are a formality.
"I didn’t sign any papers. I plan to fight somewhere in February against a top 15 opponent, as promised by Dana White @danawhite."

 

[Deleted member 546119]

Islam is Khabib's boy. UFC will not do a damn thing to him.

Also your post is completely wrong anyway.

 

[kflo]

The UFC made the fight with Islam Makhachev and then "cancelled it" -- but Makhachev isn't very intelligent and tipped his hand. He said he'd agree to fight "when the UFC give him a 10 top opponent as was promised".

99% chance what happened here is the UFC offered Makhachev the fight and he agreed, then he realized his opponent wasn't top 10, and backed out of the fight. This is illegal. Once Makhachev agrees verbally to the fight, it's on. There's no way the UFC would make the fight "official" without getting a verbal agreement from both parties.

The UFC should honestly sue Makhachev to put him in his place. Chael Sonnen made a video discussing this -- you cannot verbally agree to a fight, and then back out days later.

You haven’t thought this through.....

 

[Arrrrgh]

Fight contracts are a bit different then standard contracts.
The fighters already signed a contract with the company (legally binding that they can't fight with another organization unless released) but the actual bout agreements are different. There are plenty of stipulations where they can't be forced to fight. If someone signed a contract to fight and backed out because their mom died and the company tried to enforce the contract they would get laughed out of court. Contract or not you cannot force someone to fight if they don't want to.

Edited for clarity

 

[OzoneX]

Didnt chael verbally agree to leave the ufc upon the silva loss?

 

[Alpha_T83]

Islam is Khabib's boy. UFC will not do a damn thing to him.

Also your post is completely wrong anyway.

Really? Would you care to back that claim up with any evidence?

No? I didn't think so, because you're trash. Allow me to support my point:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_contract

Oral contracts, when made correctly before witnesses, can be enforced. For example, in 1984, after Getty Oil was sold to Pennzoil in a handshake deal, which is legally binding under New York law, Texaco made a higher offer, and the company was sold to Texaco. (Even though the case was tried in Texas, New York law applied.) Pennzoil filed a lawsuit alleging tortious interference with the oral contract, which the court upheld and awarded $11.1 billion in damages, later reduced to $9.1 billion (but increased again by interest and penalties).[3]

 

[Alpha_T83]

Fight contracts are a bit different then standard contracts.
The fighters already signed a contract with the company (legally binding that they can't fight with another organization unless released) but the actual bout agreements are different. There are plenty of stipulations where they can't be forced to fight. If someone signed a contract to fight and backed out because their mom died and the company tried to enforce the contract they would get laughed out of court. Contract or not you cannot force someone to fight if they don't want to.

Edited for clarity

HAHAHAHAHHA, ookay there kid. You clearly know NOTHING about the law.

If a fighter backed out of a big fight because "their mom died" and the UFC had to cancel an event and lost millions, they could ABSOLUTELY SUE THEM. You have a legally binding contract, and the law doesn't give two shits about your personal feelings.

 

[ftpngo]

You can't force a fighter to fight anyone contract or not.

Look at GSP being contractually obligated to defend the mw belt. How well did that work out

 

[Devilton]

 

[Kowboy On Sherdog]

Pretty sure he would had to have signed a fight contract. Don't think "Verbal" means anything in 2018... But I am no lawyer.

 

[chinarice]

So Islam M is questioning why this fight was cancelled with this particular fighter but per you, he's the one that didn't agree to the opponent?.. Even though he questions it?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.............

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

Yeah that's not how it works TS. This isn't some third world country where a man's word is his life.

 

[Devilton]

The law can't beat Islam.

 

[Alpha_T83]

You can't force a fighter to fight anyone contract or not.

Look at GSP being contractually obligated to defend the mw belt. How well did that work out

There's a difference between a fighter contract and a bout agreement.

Once you say "yes I will fight that guy on this date at this place", you have entered into a bout agreement. You are legally obligated to show up and work, unless you meet the predefined conditions for pulling out of the fight (i.e. injury, illness, etc).

 

[Alpha_T83]

Yeah that's not how it works TS. This isn't some third world country where a man's word is his life.

They won't be criminally charged, but you can sue them. Once they agree to a bout against a specific fighter on a specific date, that's a legally binding contract. They need to prove injury or illness to cancel the bout.

 

[Alpha_T83]

So Islam M is questioning why this fight was cancelled with this particular fighter but per you, he's the one that didn't agree to the opponent?.. Even though he questions it?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.............

What would you do if you and/or your manager agreed to a fight, and then realized it was the "wrong" opponent? He clearly stated "as promised by Dana White" -- he thought he was fighting someone higher ranked, then he realized Trinaldo is fringe top 15.

The UFC will not make a bout without the verbal consent from either the fighter and/or his agent. If the agent has power of attourney to agree to bouts on behalf of the fighter, then that's a legally binding bout agreement.

 

[chitoortiz]

TS doesn't know how the UFC operates.

The UFC announces fights all the time that the fighter competing has no idea about or didn't agree to.

Puts pressure on the fighter to actually take the fight.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

Blaming Makhachev for UFC's bush-leagueness <Lmaoo>

 

[kflo]

The UFC made the fight with Islam Makhachev and then "cancelled it" -- but Makhachev isn't very intelligent and tipped his hand. He said he'd agree to fight "when the UFC give him a 10 top opponent as was promised".

99% chance what happened here is the UFC offered Makhachev the fight and he agreed, then he realized his opponent wasn't top 10, and backed out of the fight. This is illegal. Once Makhachev agrees verbally to the fight, it's on. There's no way the UFC would make the fight "official" without getting a verbal agreement from both parties.

The UFC should honestly sue Makhachev to put him in his place. Chael Sonnen made a video discussing this -- you cannot verbally agree to a fight, and then back out days later.

Did the ufc agree to give him a top 10 opponent and then not fulfill their “contract”? Is that illegal?

 

[Dead Kennedy]

If the UFC wasn’t going to give him a top ten opponent like promised, then they are the ones who broke the contract.