Nog threatening with lawsuit

[Shaddows]

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“I’ll try to defend myself. A diuretic substance has been identified in my test and I don’t use diuretics. I do a strict diet in advance [of my fights] to not have major problems with weight loss. I’m going to find a specialist lawyer to figure out what we’re going to do.”

As far as what consequences he’ll face as a result of the failed drug test, Nogueira has decided to take a more positive approach.

“I believe in my innocence and I don’t want to think of the worst. I’m sad to have the [next] fight canceled now. This situation is very difficult. Let’s wait for what is decided from now on.”

I do believe that USADA is doing its job, but how many fights have been scrapped before proving the fighter is indeed guilty? Is this correct?
After all, most have paid for training camp that includes their trainers, sparring partners, location, etc.
And they don't get their money back. So is it fair to the fighter?

But if the fight is not cancelled, is it fair to the opposing fighter?
I know it is a complex issue... but what would be the best option?

What think you?

 

[Amersfoort]

Nog needs to retire

 

[hot carl]

It’s tough.

 

[Tylerl90]

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I do believe that USADA is doing its job, but how many fights have been scrapped before proving the fighter is indeed guilty? Is this correct?
After all, most have paid for training camp that includes their trainers, sparring partners, location, etc.
And they don't get their money back. So is it fair to the fighter?

But if the fight is not cancelled, is it fair to the opposing fighter?
I know it is a complex issue... but what would be the best option?

What think you?

It's quite a two-headed snake don't you think?

On one hand, I believe in due process and that there have been fights scrapped needlessly due to tainted supplements, testing errors, or whatever mistakes might've took place. There are fighters that have been hit by USADA who were legitimately innocent of all charges.

On the other, if you don't cancel the fight and a fighter gets fucked up by a fighter on steroids, what're you gonna do? That's a lawsuit waiting to happen.

 

[Franc Mittelo]

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I do believe that USADA is doing its job, but how many fights have been scrapped before proving the fighter is indeed guilty? Is this correct?
After all, most have paid for training camp that includes their trainers, sparring partners, location, etc.
And they don't get their money back. So is it fair to the fighter?

But if the fight is not cancelled, is it fair to the opposing fighter?
I know it is a complex issue... but what would be the best option?

What think you?

USADA doesn't have to prove anything. Once they find something, you are cooked. LOL

 

[Draxton]

It’s not complex.

“An illegal substance showed up in young ur test results. Whether you took it on purpose or it got there by accident, you cannot fight. It would not be fair to the opponent”

Now if the B sample comes back negative, then yes, they should be compensated for being pulled from the fight.

If the B sample is positive and it is a “tainted supplement” or someone spiked them, then they should pursue the spiker or “supplement” manufacturer with legal action.

 

[Shaddows]

It's quite a two-headed snake don't you think?

On one hand, I believe in due process and that there have been fights scrapped needlessly due to tainted supplements, testing errors, or whatever mistakes might've took place. There are fighters that have been hit by USADA who were legitimately innocent of all charges.

On the other, if you don't cancel the fight and a fighter gets fucked up by a fighter on steroids, what're you gonna do? That's a lawsuit waiting to happen.

How about move the fight a month and speed up the test??? Shouldn't this take priority?

 

[Shaddows]

USADA doesn't have to prove anything. Once they find something, you are cooked. LOL

I understand and I personally LIKE the fact they are independent.
But the sport can't suffer for a suspicion. It is a lot of money!

Think about how much money a fighter have to front for training camp, sparring partners, and their trainer's time. All for nothing.
then think about the event losing their main or co-main event...
all before they are even sure if foul play was true...

Again, I don't know the answer, but I don't think it is fair to the accused fighter ... at least before it is proven one way or another.

 

[Tylerl90]

How about move the fight a month and speed up the test??? Shouldn't this take priority?

USADA takes forever, for one thing. Then you have to give the fighter their time to gather evidence for their case.

 

[McSpikes]

Guilty!

 

[Shaddows]

It’s not complex.

“An illegal substance showed up in young ur test results. Whether you took it on purpose or it got there by accident, you cannot fight. It would not be fair to the opponent”

Now if the B sample comes back negative, then yes, they should be compensated for being pulled from the fight.

If the B sample is positive and it is a “tainted supplement” or someone spiked them, then they should pursue the spiker or “supplement” manufacturer with legal action.

But shouldn't they test B sample BEFORE pulling the fight?
That's not what happened.

 

[Fight Professor]

Is JDS still training with Nogs? It is suspicious.

 

[Shaddows]

USADA takes forever, for one thing. Then you have to give the fighter their time to gather evidence for their case.

that's because they are not in a hurry.
B sample could have been done before even accusing the fighter.

a follow up test should be promptly collected to make sure the tainted substance is still in his bloodstream.
But now, since they scrap the test, it can take months until the process even start... IMO this is unfair to the fighter.

Look at Yoel. More than a year to test and everything. FOund not guilty but suspended anyway.
Plus the money he lost preparing for a fight that did not happen...

 

[Shaddows]

Is JDS still training with Nogs? It is suspicious.

No.
he moved to Nova Uniao long ago.

 

[VanMMA]

Lil Nog will get to the bottom of this.

 

[kennysux]

FUCK USADA

 

[SMEGMA]

This proves Nog is a career roider.

 

[Tylerl90]

that's because they are not in a hurry.
B sample could have been done before even accusing the fighter.

a follow up test should be promptly collected to make sure the tainted substance is still in his bloodstream.
But now, since they scrap the test, it can take months until the process even start... IMO this is unfair to the fighter.

Look at Yoel. More than a year to test and everything. FOund not guilty but suspended anyway.
Plus the money he lost preparing for a fight that did not happen...

If you're gonna use USADA "efficiently" and save fights at the same time, the only possible way I see that happening is refusing to suspend a fighter until all commission hearings/appeals have been exhausted and put a clause into the fighters contracts that say IF they happen to end up fighting a doper, the UFC/commission/USADA is not at fault.

Like I said, two-headed snake. Really tough to say what would work and what wouldn't.

 

[UFC=Pride]

Why is this an illegal substance anyone have any clarification?

 

[TheAgent025]

Is JDS still training with Nogs? It is suspicious.

Good catch both for a diuratic