15yo girl has... voluntary? involuntary?... sex with 25 boys in school bathroom

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I don't think it's the case that women are viewed as objects more so than before, but that they are active participants in this more so than before. Better stated, the double standard between men and women has all but vanished. It's the obvious result of erasing gender roles.
Seems like the wrong direction to me.

I honestly don't really see that many men posing in their underwear in front of their mirrors and posting it on social media or getting gang banged in the bathroom.

I mean, when I see women engaging in this sort of activity, I don't think "Wow, what a wonderful example of feminine empowerment." I think "lol what a dumb slut. Maybe I'll beat off to her pic."
 
I've said this before, but women are viewed as sexual objects more so now than at any time in history. The desperation for validation and attention is sad and even more sad is their willingness to shame themselves to get it. Young girls are bombarded with whores as role models from all angles.

I don't really care about Africa/middle east whatever. I don't live there and that society means nothing to me. Thats another discussion.

Americans have this weird thing where you're both absurdly prudish yet overly sexualized at the time same.

Apparently in your mind women are all terrible whores and we should go back to the 1950s version of women being cleaning/cooking slaves to their husband. And you somehow think the 1950s version of better, probably because you'd like that better. In your imagination there can be no sweet middle ground.

A lot of women are completely disconnected from their bodies, from their sexuality. They're the starfish of the world. They don't know what they want, they don't know what they need. Maybe it never even occurred to them that a man's job is also to please them, not just the other way around. And this unhealthy outlook is a hell of lot more caused by puritanism than any form of modern "whore encouragement", more like, less vitriolic shaming.
 
Seems like the wrong direction to me.

I honestly don't really see that many men posing in their underwear in front of their mirrors and posting it on social media or getting gang banged in the bathroom.

I mean, when I see women engaging in this sort of activity, I don't think "Wow, what a wonderful example of feminine empowerment." I think "lol what a dumb slut. Maybe I'll beat off to her pic."

There's plenty of men, mostly teenagers, posing in front of mirrors. You probably just don't frequent the places where you would see this, which makes you normal. This is very different from promiscuity.
 
Americans have this weird thing where you're both absurdly prudish yet overly sexualized at the time same.

Apparently in your mind women are all terrible whores and we should go back to the 1950s version of women being cleaning/cooking slaves to their husband. And you somehow think the 1950s version of better, probably because you'd like that better. In your imagination there can be no sweet middle ground.

A lot of women are completely disconnected from their bodies, from their sexuality. They're the starfish of the world. They don't know what they want, they don't know what they need. Maybe it never even occurred to them that a man's job is also to please them, not just the other way around. And this unhealthy outlook is a hell of lot more caused by puritanism than any form of modern "whore encouragement", more like, less vitriolic shaming.
Learn to read.

I'm talking about women using their sexuality as means for validation. You can be proud of your sexuality without making a spectacle of yourself or demeaning yourself and frankly, women should be more than just sexual objects. It shouldn't be something women use to make themselves relevant.
 
There's plenty of men, mostly teenagers, posing in front of mirrors. You probably just don't frequent the places where you would see this, which makes you normal. This is very different from promiscuity.
My point stands. Women should look beyond using their tits for validation.
 
Not to try to get the thread back on topic, but judging from the new photos to hit the local news outlets, including the Snapchat "invitations" ... It looks like its safe to say this was 100% consensual.
 
My point stands. Women should look beyond using their tits for validation.

You're not going to get an argument from me about that, I just don't think this is the heart of the issue, but may be a symptom of the issue.

Question- should men use their bodies for validation?
 
Not to try to get the thread back on topic, but judging from the new photos to hit the local news outlets, including the Snapchat "invitations" ... It looks like its safe to say this was 100% consensual.

You have a picture of this upstanding specimen?
 
Reminds me of the cock carousel
You have a picture of this upstanding specimen?

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Recording it is smart if you don't spread it/show it to anyone IF this was consensual. It would be VERY easy for this girl to claim rape - she'll be pressured to do so from many directions now, and based on the number of boys, the locked door etc I think most folks would believe it was against her will at some level if not full bore gang rape. IF it was completely consensual, she's seen enjoying things, laughing, conversing, not acting weird or threatened the tape will show that.
I don't think it would be making kiddie porn if you're both the same age and you are part of it - and as long as you don't spread it around and keep it for personal "insurance" it's actually smart and the way of the world now.

It's sad, but this is actually a decent point. The only hope those 25 boys have of not going to serious jail terms for rape once she undoubtedly says she was, is the video evidence. Of course, that's only if it was actually consensual.

It's like male celebrities need to have girls sign a notarized contract that they want to have sex with him before leaving the bar. Like with Patrick Kane. Woman cries rape, and then it's suddenly guilty by media and suspended until proven innocent and a large percentage still see him as a rapist despite all signs pointing to either no sexual contact or consensual all along.
 
Seems like the wrong direction to me.

I honestly don't really see that many men posing in their underwear in front of their mirrors and posting it on social media or getting gang banged in the bathroom.

I mean, when I see women engaging in this sort of activity, I don't think "Wow, what a wonderful example of feminine empowerment." I think "lol what a dumb slut. Maybe I'll beat off to her pic."

My mind works exactly the same way. Great minds think alike.
 
So... what's the moral of this story? If you don't treat women like animals, their parents go right ahead and raise them to treat themselves like animals?

Yay progress!

It is interesting that women in the West have more freedom and opportunities than any other time in history and they have mainly used those opportunities to humiliate and degrade themselves. It seems like the more freedom women get, the more Western societies are falling apart.
 
Seems like the wrong direction to me.

I honestly don't really see that many men posing in their underwear in front of their mirrors and posting it on social media or getting gang banged in the bathroom.

I mean, when I see women engaging in this sort of activity, I don't think "Wow, what a wonderful example of feminine empowerment." I think "lol what a dumb slut. Maybe I'll beat off to her pic."


I don't often agree with Seano but he's right on the money here.

Instagram is the perfect portal to view this behavior. Women of all ages just parading th selves like cheap whores for "likes"

Some delusional internet sluts are even under the impression there is something called "Instagram models". If you notice these are just glorified stripper whores who have augmented asses and tons of plastic surgery. These are gold digging whores and mostly just all escort sluts.

They act like they're regular women but they're hookers. Plain and simple. This is legit all over Instagram. The land where women act like useless Ho's
 
It is interesting that women in the West have more freedom and opportunities than any other time in history and they have mainly used those opportunities to humiliate and degrade themselves. It seems like the more freedom women get, the more Western societies are falling apart.

The problem with being encouraged to abuse freedoms, rather than being taught that freedom should be tempered by a sense of responsibility, is that it completely denies the fact that humans are still only human. Girls who aren't taught to respect themselves, because apparently self-respect is oppressive, will quickly find that no one else respects them either.

A lot of these 'proud to be a slut' sorts of arguments completely ignore or fail to understand that women should be prone to certain expectations of behaviour that men aren't prone to because we are, in fact, different.

If it's causing Western society to crumble, it's because denial of reality will tend to do that.
 
What is the debate here? How is this even a debate?

Every guy here knew slutty chicks growing up. But jerking two guys off at s high school party is a far cry from getting gangbanged in a school bathroom by 25 guys.

this girl is gonna be a wreck her entire life.
 
Big whoop. We had one whore in our highschool that would give blow jobs under the stairs multiple dudes one after another. She loved it the attention, daddy issues stage 4.

Shit like this is nothing new, videos on Facebook instagfram snapchat of it is though.
What's her phone number?
 
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