No, it wasn't mentioned earlier, you stop.
NO
YOU STOP! lmao (please respond with NO YOUUUUUU STOP rofl)
and it was mentioned earlier.
The divide between Sunni and Shia and the ever present conflict between the two of them was the exact reason he was so brutal. He was brutal towards the Jihadists within his own country. Fallujah at one point rose up against Saddam. Just stop with the whole "The US turned the Iraqis against each other" nonsense. The invasion wasn't even over yet and they were already killing each other. You're embarrassing yourself again.[/QUOTE]
lol please provided sources for the anti-saddam uprising in fallujah. it was looted after the government fell but it was mostly full of Saddam supporters.
Again, totally not making any sense. We were talking about ISIS taking over and selling oil to China, and you once again went off on a senseless rant about "But it's all America's fault!!"
its not america's fault that the iraqi army the built and helped equip and form and support performed poorly? this is after they supported the government and fired the iraqi army who then became insurgents? all of Iraq is your fuck up. nobody asked or told you to go to Iraq. you invaded over multiple lies lol.
LOL, the insurgency in Iraq ceased to exist after about 2006. There was not a single major combat operation after 06-07. The insurgency had been completely beaten at every level and had slunk off to Syria. really sounded like they were "ready to fight for a lot longer than 10 years". They were ready for us to leave so they could go back to doing what they do best, abusing old people and children, then talking about what warriors they are.
no the various insurgent groups turned on AQ because of how brutal it was. then the shia government cracked down on the sunnis who threw their weight behind isis.
Nope, that was a fringe benefit. The end game was to establish a Western style democracy in the Middle East, thus over time converting the entire region to Democracy. Do you read? We've been done for a while, bro. You've betting getting owned for days, and haven't had the decency to notice. And seriously, if you're going to try to twist my words, you're honestly going to have to do better than that. You aren't even smart enough to keep your own argument straight, or even read a graph correctly, don't try to step up to the big boy table and try to confuse me. You've already got enough to handle with just NOT confusing yourself.
no according to your secretary of defence you were 'there for oil not for figs'. if you were there for democracy, a WMD lie and saddam being buddies with AQ lie and Saddam being an imminent threat to the US lie would not be necessary. whats next idiot? that the nazis invaded russia to free the russians from communism and help them prosper? lmao
Yes, we filled the power vaccum. For years. The Government and the military did exactly what we told them, when we told them to do it. Why you don't get that I don't know. Maybe I can put it in more simple terms you can understand. We ran shit. Is that easier?
you ran shit into the ground. you built a house of cards that needed help continous help against guys with small arms in pick up trucks. you knocked out the biggest hurdle for iran. saddam. good job.
I don't know, why don't you ask the idiot Liberals who thought it was a good idea, and not me, the guy who clearly thought it was idiocy? Or could you not pick up on my complete contempt for them? Was I not laying it on enough for your tiny mind to pick up? Or are you just projecting opinions on to me so you can attack them again? That's cute. You don't really learn, do you?
dont weasel out and turn this into a liberal vs repub issue. the US has a clear and traceable history of arming rebels and tyrants and religious extremists as proxy forces. from afghanistan's freedom fighters to syria's moderates.
Wait.... Hold on, are we back to this again? i thought we just made that up because it was all about oil? Or did you have an aneurysm and we're back on the whole "LOL, yuz guyz thought they wud gif yuz flowears and stuff, hurr hurr" argument that you earlier said wasn't your position anymore? Come on dude, PICK A POSITION AND STICK WITH IT!! LOL, I do have to admit watching you fumble all over the place, back track and contradict yourself is wildly entertaining.
damn son. i really struck a nerve with the welcomed with flowers. were you one of the idiots that thought iraq was going to be all roses and peaches? lmao
it was about oil. but youd need to pacify the region to get that going.
And we were talking about the Iran Iraq War, dickhead. A war you claimed could not have possibly gone on as long as it did without us. Can't even remember our own arguments, that's sad.
my memory is far better than your's. you didnt know weapons inspectors had been to the weapons plant in the 90s after the gulf war until this thread.
Uh, do you realize how stupid this sounds? I'm seeing what I saw with my own eyes from the benefit of being the only one of "multiple posters" to have ever actually set foot in Iraq, much less physically inside the Muthanna Chemical Complex, but hey, F all that right? just read this report from a Government that you yourself say you don't believe. Unbelievable mental gymnastics going on here.
youre like one of those idiots who say they saw aliens. when people present proof you are full of shit you just keep saying 'i was there! i know what i saw!'
Dude, you make my face hurt. Are you able to follow along with your own side of this conversation?
you should see a doctor. face hurting has nothing to do frustrating conversation lol. you have so much on the line lol. you cant afford to be wrong about this because you share responsibility for it lol.
Your point since the begining of this conversation was that we invaded Iraq to support the Military Industrial Complex, which needs war to thrive, then brought up Lockheed Martin, an aeronautics company who didn't start making any money until 5 years after the war had started as your big proof. Then, when that didn't work you doubled down with all the money they started making AFTER both the invasion and 8 year occupation were over by pointing out all the money that was made by our regularly scheduled 25 year overhaul of our air capabilities. Why do I have to continue to re-explain your side of this argument to you? If you can't start even keeping up with yourself this isn't going to be fun anymore.
so they need to make a profit 5 minutes after the war starts? hahhahahhahaha if america's military and policy makers are morons like you, the world is up for a lot more instability.
Uh, yeah they were. They had a bunch of T-72s, but the Iraqis themselves were garbage. That's why I said we won the war. You're the one who replied with "You won both wars?!"
you didnt win the war its still going on. this is a prime example of american military not understanding irregular wars. the people fighting you are not calling this iraq war 3. its the same war as 2003 in a different phase. the americans tuck tail and drew down their ground forces but the besieged shia government is still there.
Again, keep your own arguments straight or go away.
its okay you were stupid enough to fall for WMDs and Saddam being an imminent threat and democracy and iraq's well being as the primary objective. someone like you will naturally have problems with critical thinking.
Bro, come on now. You're doing it again. "The Military" and "military industrial complex" are in no way the same thing. The Military Industrial Complex provides specifically military equipment to the Military. Hardly any of that money was spent on military equipment. It was spent on setting up bases in Iraq, and in trying to rebuild infrastructue in Iraq.
they are in the same bed idiot. sounds like you didnt take president eisenhower seriously when he warned the US about it.
When have I ever said that weapons inspectors never visited Iraq? I'm pretty familiar with the timeline of events leading up to the invasion of Iraq. I was 18 on 9/11 and a month from going to boot camp. I was an almost 21 year old Marine Infantryman on the day we invaded Iraq. Saddam Hussein and Iraq dominated the news when I was a young boy and teenager. I said that I have personally been in the Muthana Chemical Complex and I did not see any demolished buildings like the first report that was posted suggested.
you asked how they took those pictures during the gulf war when anybody who is even vaguely familiar with this knows that the photos were taken after the war. the saddest part of it all was the whole 'maybe the missed' nonsense. when the pictures were posted you looked like an idiot. serious? maybe they missed? unintentional comedy gold.
at this point on an internet forum nobody cares what you claim you saw when multiple reports are saying otherwise. if you even had a the barest of spines you'd be contacting these people for getting their official reports wrong. go ahead let em know it was not bombed and destroyed because you know what you saw.