Yushin Okami Yes, TUF Quarterfinalists No

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  1. Jack Herer Buds

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  2. Emjay

    Emjay And again and again and again and ag.. zzzzzzzz

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    Like it or not, the UFC is about creating NEW stars

    Can't create NEW stars without bringing in NEW fighters

    What's REALLY the difference between a guy who was on TUF and a guy who has a decent record fighting in smaller shows? Where'd Jon Jones come from? Where's Shane Carwin come from?
     
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    The UFC want fighters the fans care about. Simple as that, they see the time in TUF as an investment and want to cash in on that investment (See the frustration Dana has with Urijah Hall).
     
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    so you wanna be a fucking gatekeeper?
     
  5. DarthChen731

    DarthChen731 Gold Belt

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    Tl;dr

    My guess as to what was said: Okami getting cut sux and I'm pissed
     
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    You're over-thinking this quite a bit. He was fired because he was boring, end of story.
     
  7. ironfist05

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    to be fair, the TUF guys were all promised spots in the UFC because the season was so good
     
  8. ironfist05

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    with the exception of Boetsch, all of Okami's losses have been against top 10 opponents

    that pretty much embodies losing to "the best"
     
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    Gatekeeper was just an excuse. He was released because he's not a big PPV draw, not even in Japan. He didn't deserve to be fired but i can understand why they let him go from a business perspective.
     
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    Lol, my thought's exactly. Clicked thread with semi-interest, saw the wall of text, and went 'meh, I'm pretty sure I've heard this already'.
     
  11. wlu29

    wlu29 Banned Banned

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    oh yeah gleison tibau gets $33K to show up = new star for ufc (not nearly as successful)

    http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/2/4...es-rashad-evans-leads-field-with-300000-purse


    yushin okami gets $42K to show up = too expensive (#6 rank according to UFC's own system)

    http://www.mmafighting.com/2012/12/...ies-junior-dos-santos-leads-field-with-400000
     
  12. Emjay

    Emjay And again and again and again and ag.. zzzzzzzz

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    Doesn't matter if Okami was paid $0, he was detrimental to business.

    Every Okami win is a loss for another fighter on the roster, who could have potential to be a bigger draw.

    More than that though, of Anderson Silva's last 9 PPV's, his fight with Okami drew the lowest numbers (by far). Basically fans who would ordinarily pay for UFC cards were skipping them when Okami was on the card. Okami is box office poison.

    All the people complaining about Okami being cut were not people who were actually paying to watch him fight. Pretty hypocritical IMO.
     
  14. wlu29

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    there are many more examples other than tibau

    let's call it for what it is

    ufc cuts boring guys

    ufc keeps exciting guys or guys that dana just happens to like

    they can do whatever they want

    let's not pretend it doesn't take away from the integrity and credibility of the sport
     
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    Every fighter regardless of contract or career is in the exact same situation guys.
     
  16. wlu29

    wlu29 Banned Banned

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    you shouldn't speak for others

    i actually pay for PPV

    i don't like Okami

    i pay to see the best regardless

    your points about Okami being box office poison is unfounded unless you substantiate numbers for a guy like gleison tibau
     
  17. Emjay

    Emjay And again and again and again and ag.. zzzzzzzz

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    Maybe the examples you have don't reflect what actually is going on

    How does it "take away from the integrity and credibility of the sport" ?

    What's with the selective morality on this site?
     
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    The message is being sent out loud and clear. If you want to play that lay n pray, cage hugging, stalling the clock "fighting" style, you can't lose a single fight. That garbage will no longer tolerated and I can't be happier.
     
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    If you actually pay to see Okami, you are very much in the minority.

    My point about Okami has nothing to do with Tibau. I am saying Okami hurts business, and therefore any salary he is paid is irrelevant to determining whether he is "worth" it. Tibau is not ranked and has never headlined a PPV, so he is not in a position to have a very obvious effect on sales/ratings. Okami is, however, and since you want numbers, here you go.

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    That's pretty clear data showing that Okami is bad for business.
     
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    cutting someone that was #6 on your own ranking system because you deem them to not be exciting doesn't take away from the athletics of sport?

    i'm not a hypocrite

    i've already said the ufc can do whatever it wants, it's a private enterprise

    but to willfully ignore the athletic integrity while the head of your organisation insists on saying things like:

    "as real as it gets"

    "ufc is bigger than soccer"

    "mma in they olympics"

    "ufc is bigger than the yankess and cowboys"

    now that is being hypocritical
     

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