Social "You're not a journalist, you're a punk" - Trump social media summit goes off about as expected

[Mr Holmes]

when trump overrides the constitutional term limits of the presidency and he is in his third term, i'll be very humble about it and not say i told you so to anyone. of course by then i likely won't be posting here any more because it'll be too dangerous to be anything but a trump supporter. might get a knock on the door from whatever his version of jackboots are.

what's crazy is i appear to be the only one listening to him and taking him seriously. liberals joke he's a moron and conservatives play the "what's he really mean" game - it was a joke, it was 4d chess, it was blah blah blah. meanwhile i'm sitting here going "uh, he just said he wants to be president for life and he thinks he should get another 2 years of his term because of the mueller probe."

he walks, talks and acts like a dictator - because he is one. leave him in there long enough with the most power available to anyone on the planet, and no institution, vote or law written on a piece of paper (that's all a constitution is) will stop him. especially if he has 30-35% of the populace brainwashed and unwavering in their support of whatever he does.

it's not guaranteed to happen - he could get axed by all that fried chicken he eats or through his incompetency fail to achieve full dictator. but he clearly wants it and you gotta be a fuckin braindead retard to sit there and drum up excuses to rewrite that reality.

 

[ocfightfan]

It's quite amazing to see leftists crying like little bitches when people on the right push back against their smears and abuse.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Do you think Sherdog moderation has an anti-right wing bias?

 

[44nutman]

The part that cracks me up is why the right always tries to come off as tough guys. Trump does it all the time. Trump went to private schools is a fat ass and probably never been in a fight in his life. Most Trust fund babies like Trump are big pussies. As a dude that used to fight a lot. The dudes that try to come off as tough guys are usually the biggest pussies. Like Gorka was ever going to do anything. I don't know the reporter but he must have been some manlet for Fat Ass Gorka to step up.

 

[Madmick]

LOL!

I will evaluate the first, which seems legitimate, at least at first glance. The rest are from shamelessly bad sources that don't even pretend to be anything other than hackish conservative propaganda sites: NewBusters (Exposing & Combating Liberal News Bias), Free Speech Alliance (Conservatives are under attack. The Free Speech Alliance protects the free speech of conservatives online; two leading members are fucking Brent "Obama is a ghetto crackhead" Bozell and Allen "I think that we also should be censoring the American news agencies" West lololol), The Daily Wire (literally founded by Ben Shapiro), and the Washington Examiner. And James O'Keefe, who we have already talked about because he's a famous professional liar.

I'm going to do you the nicety of reading the first one. But know, for future causes, that throwing a bunch of bad sources and shitty supporting arguments for the sake of volume isn't going to make any difference to a discerning reader and may actually hurt your credibility. You should be producing analysis from disinterested and nonpartisan organizations, lead by actual experts in the field of journalism and that focus on finding the truth, not creating a narrative.

Gizmodo is a "shamelessly" bad source that "don't even pretend to be anything other than hackish conservative propaganda sites"? You mean like Vox?

Weird. I've never heard anyone level that claim at Gizmodo before. Strange that it's mentioned in dozens of academic studies as an example of actual bias stimulating investigation.

It's not strange that you immediately dismiss everything else quickly collated there on its merits because it's "fake news". Straight out of Trump's playbook. You're exactly like him.

So...concession accepted.

 

[7437]

The part that cracks me up is why the right always tries to come off as tough guys. Trump does it all the time. Trump went to private schools is a fat ass and probably never been in a fight in his life. Most Trust fund babies like Trump are big pussies. As a dude that used to fight a lot. The dudes that try to come off as tough guys are usually the biggest pussies. Like Gorka was ever going to do anything. I don't know the reporter but he must have been some manlet for Fat Ass Gorka to step up.

I would bet my house trump told someone his dad would sue them to get out of a fight.

 

[M3t4tr0n]

Sounds like a gathering of Trump tards from the War Room.

 

[Sano]

A damning study:
https://www.aaai.org/ocs/index.php/ICWSM/ICWSM18/paper/view/17878/17020

Newsbuster coverage of a 50-page report investigating this specific issue:
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/c...ed-how-online-media-companies-are-suppressing
Full report can be requested here:
https://www.mrc.org/caoc#report

At least one of these is referenced in the above report:
https://gizmodo.com/former-facebook-workers-we-routinely-suppressed-conser-1775461006
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article...ns-like-the-rnc-chair-and-trump-jrs-spokesman
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/youtube-censoring-videos-from-conservative-group

Also, a recent thread from the WR (there are dozens over the years) that is perhaps most interesting because it was a secret investigation into conservative bias by Google, carried out by Project Veritas, and yet despite their checkered past it was so compelling that Congress called Google executives to the Hill to be reprimanded and questioned:
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...-re-election-of-donald-trump-in-2020.3976453/

Here's another one where O'Keefe caught Twitter employees admitting actively suppressing pro-conservative information:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/25744/bombshell-report-twitter-admits-censoring-ryan-saavedra

Oh, and pertaining to why academia might downplay this:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1745691612454135
https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/e/9781315717104/chapters/10.4324/9781315717104-12


This is just the tip of the iceberg. I could waste a day aggregating hundreds of articles, documents, and studies corroborating social media bias and suppression of pro-conservative politics & people. Only the most incredibly ignorant, radical, unhinged zealots would object to this established truth.

Look at this fucking retard that thinks that Sherdog threads of people crying is evidence.

And yes, the rest is also not substantial enough to exclude the left wing from being censored on social media, which there is a vast amount of evidence for.

Trump is completely distorting the narrative. While there is definitely a corporate bias, bringing in people like Gorka and project Veritas is a distortion of reality and it's sickening.

 

[Madmick]

Look at this fucking retard that thinks that Sherdog threads of people crying is evidence.

And yes, the rest is also not substantial enough to exclude the left wing from being censored on social media, which there is a vast amount of evidence for as well.

Trump is completely distorting the narrative. While there is definitely a corporate bias, bringing in people like Gorka and project Veritas is a distortion of reality and it's sickening.

Someone's salty.

 

[Sano]

Someone's salty.

Haha, as much as we don't like each other, and I think your views are somewhat distorted in line with this thread, at least you're a good sport. That much I can respect, and sorry if the retard part was a bit much.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

You sound like a crazy person.

I hope you’re kidding.

I hope Trump is kidding when he talks about staying beyond a second term.

 

[Madmick]

Haha, as much as we don't like each other, and I think your views are somewhat distorted in line with this thread, at least you're a good sport. That much I can respect, and sorry if the retard part was a bit much.

I'm indifferent towards you. It's your politics and your insistence on inserting yourself into matters of American domestic issues to which I am hostile. You don't understand me.

New York Times: Dozens at Facebook Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture
Google, Facebook, and Twitter have all experienced this. Many employees themselves have been whistleblowers to corporate malfeasance. Whistleblowers are typically heroes of the left, but in this case, it's about disseminating pro-leftist propaganda. They have demonstrated zero integrity, and have written all of these whistleblowers off as the stuff of conspiracy.

This recent expose by PJ was a doozy. Again, even Democrats (the ones with integrity) on Capitol Hill were incensed:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/twitt...bias-and-censorship-cite-privacy_2962415.html

After Project Veritas released a report exposing what appears to be political bias against and censorship of conservative content on the social media platform Pinterest, Twitter temporarily suspended Veritas’s account and YouTube took down Veritas’s video of the exposé.

Both Twitter and Google, which owns YouTube, cited privacy violations by Veritas, possibly related to Veritas publishing the names and pictures of several Pinterest employees. Veritas countered by saying the employees were directly implicated in the bias and censorship allegations and their names were thus newsworthy.

“Twitter should not be making news decisions on behalf of journalists,” said Veritas founder James O’Keefe in a phone call.

Pinterest Censorship
Veritas published the report on June 11, releasing a trove of internal documents provided by Pinterest software engineer Eric Cochran.

Cochran said he was escorted out of Pinterest’s offices on June 11 by security without an explanation. He has since been informed by Pinterest that he’s been put on administrative leave because he “may have shared confidential company information with an external third party.”

An email received by Eric Cochran, Pinterest software engineer, on Jun. 12, 2019. (Courtesy of Project Veritas)

The documents, together with Cochran’s commentary, showed that Pinterest put a number of websites providing right-leaning or anti-establishment content on its list of banned pornography websites. Among those on the list were: zerohedge.com, theantimedia.com, liveaction.org, prisonplanet.com, pjmedia.com, and teaparty.org.

Cochran explained that the websites on the list cannot be linked in posts made by users.

According to the report, Pinterest also had blocked search suggestions on “sensitive terms,” which included phrases like, “bible journaling ideas,” “bible journaling,” “bible verses,” “christian easter,” and “christian tattoos.” Phrases relating to other major religions are not listed in the released documents, but a cursory testing of the Pinterest search function suggested some terms related to other religions may have been targeted, too.

“The documents we obtained raise questions about whether or not these tech companies really operate like neutral platforms, as opposed to publishers with editorial agendas,” O’Keefe said in the report....

Pinterest’s Response

Pinterest didn’t respond to a request for comment, but gave a statement to Veritas saying that “religious content is allowed on Pinterest"...

YouTube’s Response
Based on a notification received by Veritas from YouTube, the violation related to Veritas releasing a picture of and naming Megan McClellan and Genet Girmay, who are members of Pinterest’s Trust and Safety team.

YouTube indeed reserves the right to remove content that reveals somebody’s full name or image, but it also states that it also takes into account “public interest” and “newsworthiness” of the information.

Based on the Pinterest documents, it was McClellan who put Liveaction.org, a website of a major anti-abortion advocacy organization, on the list of blocked pornography websites.

Twitter’s Response
Twitter didn’t provide a comment, but a person familiar with its decision to suspend Veritas said it was due to a violation of Twitter’s private information policy. Yet the policy states that Twitter doesn’t consider somebody’s name or place of employment to be private information. It makes no mention of posting somebody’s image, though it lists “biometric data” as private...

‘Expose What’s Going On’

Cochran at first asked Veritas to conceal his identity, but later, as it became clear that the company was able to identify him, he went public, appearing on June 12 on Fox News’ “Tucker Carlson Tonight.”

“I did this because I saw wrongdoing, and the normalization of censorship within big tech companies right now is downright un-American,” he said.

He explained that he wanted Pinterest to come out publicly as censoring the anti-abortion website instead of doing so “behind closed doors.” He also urged other employees of tech companies to come out with what they know.

“Pro-lifers who exist within big tech companies—there’s a lot of us—they need to come to Project Veritas and they need to expose what’s going on,” he said. “They need to make these tech companies, like I have, explicitly say that ‘We are on the side of the abortion lobby,’” he said.

Indeed, it appears that Pinterest has, in response to Veritas’s reporting, officially banned LiveAction’s account.

Company Culture

The Pinterest documents indicated a left-leaning culture at the company.

In internal communications, Ifeoma Ozoma, who is Pinterest’s Public Policy and Social Impact manager, according to a LinkedIn profile, labeled Ben Shapiro as a “white supremacist,” despite the fact that Shapiro, a conservative commentator, is a Jew, one major target of bona fide white supremacists.

She also labeled Stefan Molyneux, a libertarian commentator, as a “white supremacist.”

The documents suggested that Ozoma created a list of terms labeled as “hate speech” that included phrases like “western civilization stefan molyneux,” “ben shapiro muslim,” and “lauren southern muslim.”

Southern is an independent right-leaning journalist who recently released a documentary on the smuggling of migrants from North Africa to Europe...

Another Pinterest document indicated that the company labelled as a “conspiracy theory” a series of undercover videos released in 2015 showing Planned Parenthood executives discussing the illegal sale of aborted baby body parts.

Planned Parenthood, the largest abortion provider in the United States, claimed that the videos were “heavily [and] deceptively edited.” But a January court ruling stated that a review by an independent forensic firm determined “that the video was authentic and not deceptively edited.”

Targeting ‘Satirical Memes’
Yet another document showed an “assessment” seemingly produced by Storyful, a social media intelligence agency. The document recommended employees “monitor” and “take action” against “news sites” and “content sources” that spread “misinformation” related to the 2020 election.

The document listed “findings” regarding the election misinformation, which recommended targeting “news sites that publish highly subjective and biased content,” including “satirical memes,” about presidential candidates Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.), and memes “insulting intelligence” of Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.).

Among other things, the document labelled “satire or parody” as “false information” because it has “potential to fool.”

There was no information in the document regarding Republican politicians satirized or targeted by biased content or misinformation.

Storyful didn’t respond to a request for comment.

But, oh, Project Veritas was involved, so it's okay! That immediately voids the validity of what they're presenting in this specific instance. Nothing to see here!

 

[Sano]

I'm indifferent towards you. It's your politics and your insistence on inserting yourself into matters of American domestic issues to which I am hostile. You don't understand me.

New York Times: Dozens at Facebook Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture
Google, Facebook, and Twitter have all experienced this. Many employees themselves have been whistleblowers to corporate malfeasance. Whistleblowers are typically heroes of the left, but in this case, it's about disseminating pro-leftist propaganda. They have demonstrated zero integrity, and have written all of these whistleblowers off as the stuff of conspiracy.

This recent expose by PJ was a doozy. Again, even Democrats (the ones with integrity) on Capitol Hill were incensed:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/twitt...bias-and-censorship-cite-privacy_2962415.html

But, oh, Project Veritas was involved, so it's okay! That immediately voids the validity of what they're presenting in this specific instance. Nothing to see here!

I mean as a somewhat intelligent person, you should really thoroughly examine your sources. The statement that left wing bias is controlling the media is bordering CT territory.

 

[Madmick]

Let's keep our heads in the sand. It's just ridiculous. Trump and co. are acting like buffoons, and yet that isn't enough. Vox feels the need to attach its own editorialized, factually incorrect opinions about bias at these companies, couched in their employees, and then reflected most acutely in comments or exposes of their executives themselves who represent the 'structural institution of power' in them, to borrow theory that normally obsesses leftists. If they could just leave it at Trump acting like a buffoon it would be a lay-up, but there is this need to pork-barrel propaganda into what is otherwise slam dunk coverage exposing Trump's immaturity. He handed that to them on a platter.

Internal emails reveal Google’s toxic culture
A TROVE of internal posts and employee emails contained in a bombshell lawsuit reveal a toxic culture inside the search giant.

EMPLOYEES at Google used internal company message boards to advocate political violence, recruit for a hard-line left-wing activist group and even propose public “trials” for ideological opponents, documents filed in court suggest.

The nearly 100 pages of internal emails and message board postings are contained in a class-action lawsuit filed by former employee James Damore in California on Monday, accusing Google of discriminating against white people, men and conservatives.

Mr Damore was the author of a controversial internal memo criticising the tech giant’s “politically correct” diversity policies. He was sacked last year for “perpetuating gender stereotypes” after the memo was leaked to the media and went viral.

Screenshots of messages attached to the complaint show Google employees attacking conservatives and white people, advocating political violence and even sharing “how-to” guides to join Antifa, a violent left-wing anarchist group reportedly classified as “domestic terrorists” by US Homeland Security.

“Get in touch with your friendly local Antifa,” one employee wrote in response to an anonymous thread in January 2017 titled “Whelp, guess it might be time for revolution”, in which the questioner asked, “How do people cope with this? I’ve never been part of a military or war effort before, I guess I can be useful as IT support or for hacking.”

The respondent said there were “people who have been fighting neo-Nazis for decades” so “don’t try to do this alone”. “They’re nice people (generally). Get to know them. If you don’t know where to find them, try an Occupy group ... or just find Black, Latina/Latino, or Muslim activists and ask how you can support them.

“I won’t say violence has no place, but if you are going to be doing anything risky, I can’t overemphasise the important [sic] of networking with people who’ve been thinking about scenarios like the one we’re in for years, and building relationships with them. We are only powerful if we organise.”

They went on to advise using encryption to hide their activities online. “Working at Google I’m sure you understand how interconnected everything online is,” they wrote. “And it should be pointed out that this list is not truly anonymous. The government could issue a subpoena to provide names on this list and Google would have to comply.”

In a separate post, employee Matthew Montgomery voiced support of violent protests by drawing comparisons to WWII. “We went to war over this s***,” he wrote. “We did not set up a roundtable with Churchill, FDR, Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler, et al. We killed Nazis until the Nazis stopped.

“To paraphrase MLK, punching a Nazi is the language of the oppressed. MLK was pretty clear that you need BOTH the threat of violent and nonviolent resistance for the latter to be an effective threat. MLK refused to condemn more violent elements of the civil rights era despite repeated calls because without that threat, they’ll just keep killing you.

“This is why I refuse to condemn rioters, or punching Nazis. This is targeted, political, defensive violence. It’s what happens when you leave otherwise nonviolent people with no other choice.”

In August, employee Tim Chevalier wrote that there was “literally only one reason an anti-fascist would be violent towards you: you are a fascist”.

“People don’t commit anti-fascist violence except in response to fascist violence,” he wrote. “It’s perfectly reasonable to expect a violent response to the expression of hate speech because hate speech is itself violence.”

Another employee, Rachel Blum, wrote, “If you subscribe to an ideology that, as a matter of fact, wants to kill people because they are different — and has, by the millions — then you deserve being punched in the face. Repeatedly.”

So the employees are a bunch of hateful, hyper-liberal assholes who express their true ignominy in private chats. Not a problem, you'd say, and you'd be right...until these further investigations expose that it extends to management; to actual strategies and endeavors to make sure Trump doesn't "happen again". I'm not a Trump fan, obviously, and yet I have the integrity to find this repugnant. If it was only chat groups, and not countless examples of a bias against one type of "problematic" political posting observed in the visible patina above the shroud of opaque company policies, it wouldn't be a problem. But then stuff like this gets leaked:
EXCLUSIVE: Google Employees Debated Burying Conservative Media In Search

Google employees debated whether to bury conservative media outlets in the company’s search function as a response to President Donald Trump’s election in 2016, internal Google communications obtained by The Daily Caller News Foundation reveal.

The Daily Caller and Breitbart were specifically singled out as outlets to potentially bury, the communications reveal.

Trump’s election in 2016 shocked many Google employees, who had been counting on Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton to win.

Communications obtained by TheDCNF show that internal Google discussions went beyond expressing remorse over Clinton’s loss to actually discussing ways Google could prevent Trump from winning again.

“This was an election of false equivalencies, and Google, sadly, had a hand in it,” Google engineer Scott Byer wrote in a Nov. 9, 2016, post reviewed by TheDCNF.

Byer falsely labeled The Daily Caller and Breitbart as “opinion blogs” and urged his coworkers to reduce their visibility in search results.

“How many times did you see the Election now card with items from opinion blogs (Breitbart, Daily Caller) elevated next to legitimate news organizations? That’s something that can and should be fixed,” Byer wrote.

“I think we have a responsibility to expose the quality and truthfulness of sources – because not doing so hides real information under loud noises,” he continued. (RELATED: Google Search Labels Republican Women ‘Enablers’)

“Beyond that, let’s concentrate on teaching critical thinking. A little bit of that would go a long way. Let’s make sure that we reverse things in four years – demographics will be on our side.”

“Too many times, Breitbart is just echoing a demonstrably made up story,” Byer wrote in a reply to his original post. He did not cite any examples....

“That happens at MSNBC, too. I don’t want a political judgement. The desire is to break the myth feedback loop, the false equivalency, instead of the current amplification of it,” Byer added.

“What I believe we can do, technically, that avoids the accusations of conspiracy or bias from people who ultimately have a right and obligation to decide what they want to believe, is to get better at displaying the ‘ripples’ and copy-pasta, to trace information to its source, to link to critiques of those sources, and let people decide what sources they believe,” another Google engineer, Mike Brauwerman, suggested.

“Give people a comprehensive but effectively summarized view of the information, not context-free rage-inducing sound-bytes,” he added.

“We’re working on providing users with context around stories so that they can know the bigger picture,” chimed in David Besbris, vice president of engineering at Google.

“We can play a role in providing the full story and educate them about all sides. This doesn’t have to be filtering and can be useful to everyone,” he wrote.

Other employees similarly advocated providing contextual information about media sources in search results, and the company later did so with a short-lived fact check at the end of 2017.

Not only did the fact-check feature target conservative outlets almost exclusively, it was also blatantly wrong. Google’s fact check repeatedly attributed false claims to those outlets, even though they demonstrably never made those claims.

Google pulled the faulty fact-check program in January, crediting TheDCNF’s investigation for the decision...

The discussion about whether to bury conservative media outlets isn’t the first evidence that some Google employees have sought to manipulate search results for political ends.

After Trump announced his initial travel ban in January 2017, Google employees discussed ways to manipulate search results in order to push back against the president’s order.

A group of employees brainstormed ways to counter “islamophobic, algorithmically biased results from search terms ‘Islam’, ‘Muslim’, ‘Iran’, etc,” as well as “prejudiced, algorithmically biased search results from search terms ‘Mexico’, ‘Hispanic’, ‘Latino’, etc.”

How ironic is it that the very news outlet an engineer wrongly called an "opinion blog" was the one who exposed the anti-conservative bias of their fact check website?

It's not mere internal rhetoric. It corresponds to what is manifest. Jesus, it's like all the stuff that started to leak out about cigarettes in the 60's, and we have so many willful ostriches in this forum because it makes them feel safe, comfortable, and correct to deny it. They lust for power.

I mean as a somewhat intelligent person, you should really thoroughly examine your sources. The statement that left wing bias is controlling the media is bordering CT territory.

I was a "fucking retard" two posts ago. How quickly the truth evolves labels.

 

[tonni]

You know why

To deflect the attention away from Trump and onto Obama, the big boogieman of the right.

 

[ImNotSurpisedDonks!]

Bernie fan supporting MSM? Stockholm Syndrome much?

 

[Richie Madano]

I hope Trump is kidding when he talks about staying beyond a second term.

Does it really matter if he is or isn’t? After one or 5 more years, he’s done. Get a grip.

 

[The Merchant]

What does left-wing even mean in this context. What does social media companies mean.

You have to set your terms and definitions before you even start to make a case for something as complex as this.

For instance from my perspective you don't have any left-leaning news organizations they are centre right all the way to really right. Well then the banks failed and for one action became even more left wing than me and used public money to bail out private corporations. I thought the market decided these things. Also the banks had a massive insurance policy with the governments that they never paid a single payment on.

Also a lot of corporate welfare as well, governments starting wars to help prop up companies.

So in some areas the most socialist state in the world but not with your people but your corporations. The people have to deal with the markets as they are and if they go bankrupt no bailout.

Socialism in sport has worked out pretty well.

It's a complex case.

 

[Seano]

how do conservatives look at any of this behavior and think it is acceptable. what a bunch of fucking psychos, they've really gone off the deep end.

god help us all when trump is in his third and fourth term. we are really, really fucked.

How do you look at what the media has become and think thats acceptable?

 

[Seano]

When

I hope Trump is kidding when he talks about staying beyond a second term.

Ripskater suggested Obama would do this, he was laughed at an mocked. Just saying.

How exactly do you believe he'd stay in office longer than 2 terms?