Yet more insane liberal behaviour #BlackBrunchNYC

[Possum Jenkins]

When was the last time one of these groups busted into a restaurant to protest black on black crime? When was the last time protesters shut down a highway? They'll call for the death of police officers, but not for the death of the inner city drug lords. You have black Panthers patrolling for rogue police officers, but no mention of deterring any other crimes. It's hypocrisy.

Holy fuck, they absolutely NEED basic civics courses in high school. Most of you guys are completely in the dark.

Why would they protest out on the streets when black-on-black crime is internal? It's civilian vs civilian. Police brutality is the state vs civilian. Do you get the difference?

Street protests are usually carried out to denounce practices of large centers of power, like the state or corporations. This is true here and everywhere else in the world. These are demands for the state to uphold laws and practices, to make new ones, to get rid of old ones, etc.

Rashaun the drug dealer that killed someone isn't a representative of the state, so it makes no sense to stop traffic to protest against him. But Bob the cop who killed someone and got off is someone that is acting with the authority and under the protection of the state.

Different tactics for different problems.

 

[ultramanhyata]

I would say Greg Jackson has more than redeemed himself at this point. Let the past be the past. Don't be a hater.

 

[Scrody]

I think you guys get the point. A lot of non-blacks kill cops.

That's probably why cops are overly cautious when they're dealing with anyone.

 

[KILL KILL]

Holy fuck, they absolutely NEED basic civics courses in high school. Most of you guys are completely in the dark.

Why would they protest out on the streets when black-on-black crime is internal? It's civilian vs civilian. Police brutality is the state vs civilian. Do you get the difference?

Street protests are usually carried out to denounce practices of large centers of power, like the state or corporations. This is true here and everywhere else in the world. These are demands for the state to uphold laws and practices, to make new ones, to get rid of old ones, etc.

Rashaun the drug dealer that killed someone isn't a representative of the state, so it makes no sense to stop traffic to protest against him. But Bob the cop who killed someone and got off is someone that is acting with the authority and under the protection of the state.

Different tactics for different problems.

Such a cop out to cover up the inaction of the black community.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

While I can sympathize with that, I believe that if its reasonable for cops to be suspicious when they encounter the public then it should be across the board. I'm doing a little research to see who are the cop killers in America are. The first few I've found were non-black and some were people that would normally not be seen as suspicious by law enforcement (like an Asian guy and a white teenage girl).

All are 2014 incidents.

Spoiler

Charged with killing Sgt. Cory Wride in Utah:

Shot and killed Deputy Jonathan Scott Pine in FL:

Charged with strangling 24 year old C.O. Amanda Baker to death:

Spoiler

Shot and killed Detective John Hobbs in AZ:

The man on the right shot and killed Officer Jason Crisp (on the left) in NC:

Ran over and killed Chief Deputy Sheriff Pete Richardson in LA:

To be specific, I said shot; not shot and killed, but even at that you listed an auto accident and 1 of 2 teens that strangled a female CO.

I also not to say that whites don't kill cops, but I didn't seem to have as much trouble finding minorities that had shot and killed officers


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[Possum Jenkins]

Such a cop out to cover up the inaction of the black community.

I'd say there's plenty of action. These protests are one example.

There vast inaction is in the white community.

 

[KILL KILL]

I'd say there's plenty of action. These protests are one example.

There vast inaction is in the white community.

bullshit. The Black Panthers were patrolling for rogue police, while making absolutely no mention of protecting the neighborhood from crimes committed by the black community. There are thousands of black on black crimes committed each year, but we don't see the Black Panthers patrolling to stop it. god forbid some fat guy has a heart attack while being apprehended and the entire world loses its mind.

Where are the massive rallies? Where is the awareness? Why isn't the black community out in droves like they were in Ferguson or in NYC? Why aren't they shutting down freeways? Why aren't they busying into restaurants for the shootings that occur daily? If they came together, acknowledged that they have a bigger problem than Barney Fife, then they'd likely save a fuckton of lives.

 

[gannima]

bullshit. The Black Panthers were patrolling for rogue police, while making absolutely no mention of protecting the neighborhood from crimes committed by the black community. There are thousands of black on black crimes committed each year, but we don't see the Black Panthers patrolling to stop it. god forbid some fat guy has a heart attack while being apprehended and the entire world loses its mind.

Where are the massive rallies? Where is the awareness? Why isn't the black community out in droves like they were in Ferguson or in NYC? Why aren't they shutting down freeways? Why aren't they busying into restaurants for the shootings that occur daily? If they came together, acknowledged that they have a bigger problem than Barney Fife, then they'd likely save a fuckton of lives.

IDK what to tell you but there are countless organizations in black communities across the country that are working to minimize black on black crime. The reason you don't hear about it is the media does not like to place attention on them for whatever reason. Just because you don't hear about it does not mean black communities aren't working tirelessly to prevent the problem. TBH I used to believe like you that there was little action being done to confront this problem but after doing research I realized I was dead wrong.

 

[fissionfusion]

bullshit. The Black Panthers were patrolling for rogue police, while making absolutely no mention of protecting the neighborhood from crimes committed by the black community. There are thousands of black on black crimes committed each year, but we don't see the Black Panthers patrolling to stop it. god forbid some fat guy has a heart attack while being apprehended and the entire world loses its mind.

Where are the massive rallies? Where is the awareness? Why isn't the black community out in droves like they were in Ferguson or in NYC? Why aren't they shutting down freeways? Why aren't they busying into restaurants for the shootings that occur daily? If they came together, acknowledged that they have a bigger problem than Barney Fife, then they'd likely save a fuckton of lives.

lmao.

 

[KILL KILL]

IDK what to tell you but there are countless organizations in black communities across the country that are working to minimize black on black crime. The reason you don't hear about it is the media does not like to place attention on them for whatever reason. Just because you don't hear about it does not mean black communities aren't working tirelessly to prevent the problem. TBH I used to believe like you that there was little action being done to confront this problem but after doing research I realized I was dead wrong.

What are they doing precisely? Where are the marches? Why is it that people will get off their ass and do something if a police officer is involved, but no one will lift a finger when hundreds of people are getting shot and killed in the inner cities?

People shut down numerous freaking highways because some guy had a heart attack. Where is the same vigor and outrage over the daily killings in the urban community? What would it take to get thousands of people to march through the streets for that cause?

To me, it just seems like everyone's priorities are screwed up.

 

[nixkid]

What are they doing precisely? Where are the marches? Why is it that people will get off their ass and do something if a police officer is involved, but no one will lift a finger when hundreds of people are getting shot and killed in the inner cities?

People shut down numerous freaking highways because some guy had a heart attack. Where is the same vigor and outrage over the daily killings in the urban community? What would it take to get thousands of people to march through the streets for that cause?

To me, it just seems like everyone's priorities are screwed up.

Literally all you have to do is google.

http://wgntv.com/2014/06/05/students-march-against-gang-violence/

http://chicago.suntimes.com/uncategorized/7/71/183447/teens-lead-march-against-gun-violence/

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/story/21772678/hundreds-take-to-the-streets-in-march-against-violence

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/1...h-chicago-pastor-leads-march-against-violence

http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/2014...prayer-service-set-for-saturday-south-chicago

Its pretty ineffectual though because some guy who is dealing in crime at the level in which he might kill someone is not going to be persuaded to give up his life of crime by people in the streets marching. As it turns out, democratic demonstrations have very little impact on the actions of individuals but its strangely effective against governments. I wonder if thats why you see more protests that deal with issues of government? Nah, people are just ignorant or being manipulated by the left wing media or whatever right wing talking point is en vogue today.

 

[nixkid]

To be specific, I said shot; not shot and killed, but even at that you listed an auto accident and 1 of 2 teens that strangled a female CO.

I also not to say that whites don't kill cops, but I didn't seem to have as much trouble finding minorities that had shot and killed officers


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I should not have included the auto accident but the strangling is relevant (what difference does it make if the officer is shot or not..isn't the argument against Mike Brown that a person can be deadly even if unarmed?). Also, why would you think blacks would be involved in more non-deadly shootings than deadly shootings? Whats the argument to support that? Blacks are lousy shots?

But my point wasn't that black people don't kill cops (obviously that is not the case). My point is that non-blacks kill cops A LOT. More than you'd expect if you listen to the rhetoric. I went down the list expecting to see mostly blacks perpetrators and was genuinely shocked by the number of non-blacks. By the time I was half way down the list, I had only seen 4. Now, maybe thats because police are more aggressive when dealing with black suspects but if thats the case then police should treat all Americans like they do black people.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

1-I should not have included the auto accident but the strangling is relevant (what difference does it make if the officer is shot or not..isn't the argument against Mike Brown that a person can be deadly even if unarmed?)2-Also, why would you think blacks would be involved in more non-deadly shootings than deadly shootings? Whats the argument to support that? Blacks are lousy shots?

3-But my point wasn't that black people don't kill cops (obviously that is not the case). My point is that non-blacks kill cops A LOT. More than you'd expect if you listen to the rhetoric. I went down the list expecting to see mostly blacks perpetrators and was genuinely shocked by the number of non-blacks. By the time I was half way down the list, I had only seen 4. 4Now, maybe thats because police are more aggressive when dealing with black suspects but if thats the case then police should treat all Americans like they do black people.

1-Fair point, but the strangling was 2 teens (1 white, 1 native) in a detention center that killed a female CO. Obviously the COs don't carry guns and a jailer for juveniles probably isn't expecting a weapon on the inmates (possibly homemade shank)..

2- My point was more that with advances in medicine and vest for police, officers often survive being shot - there was 1 that died recently from complications of his paralysis, but he was shot 9 years ago.

Oh, and I actually tend to view most urbanites as bad shots; that includes a large portion of officers in most cases - they just don't shoot as often as us good ol' boys.

3-I agree that all races kill or even attack cops. Obviously the law of average would suggest that since 3/4 of the US is white that 3/4 of the shootings should be by white perps, but that isn't the case - of course a large part of that is due to socioeconomic.

4- Although it doesn't make as many headlines as an unarmed minority being shot by police - whites are shot by police as well. In fact there are constantly threads here about the cops tasering old white men and women. Btw- Gil Collar and Dillon Taylor; both killed by black officers

Interesting aside - although this article agrees with you, there are some glaring facts:

That's not to say officers weren't killing white people. Indeed, some 44 percent of all those killed by police across the 33 years were white.

White or black, though, those slain by police tended to be roughly the same age. The average age of blacks killed by police was 30. The average age of whites was 35.

Who is killing all those black men and boys?

Mostly white officers. But in hundreds of instances, black officers, too. Black officers account for a little more than 10 percent of all fatal police shootings. Of those they kill, though, 78 percent were black.

White officers, given their great numbers in so many of the country's police departments, are well represented in all categories of police killings. White officers killed 91 percent of the whites who died at the hands of police. And they were responsible for 68 percent of the people of color killed. Those people of color represented 46 percent of all those killed by white officers.

http://www.propublica.org/article/deadly-force-in-black-and-white

 

[fissionfusion]

Literally all you have to do is google.

http://wgntv.com/2014/06/05/students-march-against-gang-violence/

http://chicago.suntimes.com/uncategorized/7/71/183447/teens-lead-march-against-gun-violence/

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/story/21772678/hundreds-take-to-the-streets-in-march-against-violence

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/1...h-chicago-pastor-leads-march-against-violence

http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/2014...prayer-service-set-for-saturday-south-chicago

Its pretty ineffectual though because some guy who is dealing in crime at the level in which he might kill someone is not going to be persuaded to give up his life of crime by people in the streets marching. As it turns out, democratic demonstrations have very little impact on the actions of individuals but its strangely effective against governments. I wonder if thats why you see more protests that deal with issues of government? Nah, people are just ignorant or being manipulated by the left wing media or whatever right wing talking point is en vogue today.

Don't bother.

People like him would prefer to remain willfully ignorant else they have their entire world turned upside down.

 

[nixkid]

1-Fair point, but the strangling was 2 teens (1 white, 1 native) in a detention center that killed a female CO. Obviously the COs don't carry guns and a jailer for juveniles probably isn't expecting a weapon on the inmates (possibly homemade shank)..

2- My point was more that with advances in medicine and vest for police, officers often survive being shot - there was 1 that died recently from complications of his paralysis, but he was shot 9 years ago.

Oh, and I actually tend to view most urbanites as bad shots; that includes a large portion of officers in most cases - they just don't shoot as often as us good ol' boys.

3-I agree that all races kill or even attack cops. Obviously the law of average would suggest that since 3/4 of the US is white that 3/4 of the shootings should be by white perps, but that isn't the case - of course a large part of that is due to socioeconomic.

4- Although it doesn't make as many headlines as an unarmed minority being shot by police - whites are shot by police as well. In fact there are constantly threads here about the cops tasering old white men and women. Btw- Gil Collar and Dillon Taylor; both killed by black officers

Interesting aside - although this article agrees with you, there are some glaring facts:

That's not to say officers weren't killing white people. Indeed, some 44 percent of all those killed by police across the 33 years were white.

White or black, though, those slain by police tended to be roughly the same age. The average age of blacks killed by police was 30. The average age of whites was 35.

Who is killing all those black men and boys?

Mostly white officers. But in hundreds of instances, black officers, too. Black officers account for a little more than 10 percent of all fatal police shootings. Of those they kill, though, 78 percent were black.

White officers, given their great numbers in so many of the country's police departments, are well represented in all categories of police killings. White officers killed 91 percent of the whites who died at the hands of police. And they were responsible for 68 percent of the people of color killed. Those people of color represented 46 percent of all those killed by white officers.

http://www.propublica.org/article/deadly-force-in-black-and-white

I'd need to see stats on non-deadly police shootings involving black vs non-black perpetrators. Google didn't return anything fruitful during my cursory search. Bullet proof vests and modern medicine work just as well when the shooter is non-black. It could be the case, that blacks are involved in those sorts of incidents more but I'm not prepared to accept it at face value after seeing the number of non-blacks involved in police killings.

Dilion Taylor was hispanic (more accurately, he was half-white/half-mexican) and the cop (Officer Bron Cruz) that shot him is hispanic.

Yes, police kill white people but they kill black people at a higher rate. Some of deaths (both white and black) are justified, some are not. Like you said about white cop killers, you'd expect the number of whites killed by police to track with the population but it doesn't. Whites are underrepresented in police killings. We seemed to agree earlier in this thread that police are more aggressive when dealing with blacks (supposedly justified by the crime rate in those neighborhoods). I'm proposing that crime rate is a bad metric for determining how police should react to the populace. I think actual threats to police safety is a better metric. We don't have the numbers for non-fatal shootings of police but we know about fatal shooters and its clear that all races pose a threat to police. So if that is the case then police should treat all people with the same level of suspension across the board and if that means rising the level of suspension they have for non-blacks then so be it.

The race of the cop is irrelevant to me. I've had bad experiences with black cops, I don't excuse their bad behavior.

 

[Bro Scientist]

These demonstrations are fantastic because they stand up for anti-racism in spaces that usually incubate themselves from the realities of police brutality.

They are going straight to an often privileged audience, the same audience whose livelihoods are usually the product of oppression around the world. The American legacy of anti-blackness is like the main way that race is formed and that people's labor is kept in line and in check. It's the main way that poverty and brutality is rationalized and explained away in the American imaginary.

With these demonstrations, certain audiences can no longer completely ignore what is going on.

How about instead of protesting to privileged audiences, they protest in their own neighborhoods, where black on black crime is the real issue... you know, where black teens die at the hands of people in their own community on a daily basis. That's seems like something to get mad about. Sure, some cops abuse their power and should be held liable for it... but I'm sure there weren't any off duty cops eating in those diners.

 

[OldGoat]

How about instead of protesting to privileged audiences, they protest in their own neighborhoods, where black on black crime is the real issue... you know, where black teens die at the hands of people in their own community on a daily basis. That's seems like something to get mad about. Sure, some cops abuse their power and should be held liable for it... but I'm sure there weren't any off duty cops eating in those diners.

They'd get shot?

 

[nhbbear]

Again, this is a racist stereotyping couched in a joke. I'm pointing this out for others, I don't give a crap about your response and I could pretty much predict it.

I was not aware that protesters are known for being punctilious. You are like Chicken little and the Boy who cried Race! all rolled into one.

 

[TeTe]

They'd get shot?

Depends, if they were in Chicago, probably. More cops get shot at and killed by gang bangers than the other way around.

 

[MuyThaiTom]

I get it. You care more about upper middle class people being able to eat brunch than about police murder of black people.

If you don't like it, get out of this thread then.

Nobody wants police to "murder" black people.

They just want these new protestors to have a shred of perspective on how big a problem police "murders" are compared to other issues far more significant that may not fit into a victim narrative as dramatically.