"yes means yes" rape standard on college campuses unconstitutional.

[skombolis]

Numpty, I said left wing. I clarified it in my second post that I said left wing and not liberalism. The only time I ever mentioned the word "liberal" or "liberalism" was when I specifically said I was not talking about "liberal" or "liberalism."

As to your point, yes, I'm pretty damn confident in claiming to know the reasoning of the strangers who support this bill.



Uh... Right.

In fairness, if you told me up front you were 'slow' we could have saved some time. Here is the definition of "left-wing"

"the liberal, socialist, or radical section of a political party or system."

And while I am sure you think you are good at reading minds, you should probably first work on your reading words skills. THEN maybe move on to more complicated things

 

[SakuMemories]

I'm simply being objective. We live in a hook-up culture where people have sex without knowing each other well.

And you just described this as courtship and romance. A quick hook up with a stranger.

Yeah lets bang a drunk chick on the toilet but god forbid you ask for her explicit consent first THAT MIGHT RUIN THE MAGIC OF THE MOMENT BRO!

This is one of the most insane posts I have ever read

I feel the same way about this insane thread.

Like why is this a problem for you guys? For your society? Finding a reliable way to get consent out of bitches? Jesus fucking christ. Why is this even a problem in your lives, I'll never understand, I just hope this is another instance of MRA bitching.

 

[skombolis]

You said that we aren't dealing with liberal feminism and that the wiki article proves me wrong. I proved that the largest liberal feminist organization in the US is pushing this legislation. Thus you got owned out of your shoes and should apologize. The gay marriage issue has nothing to do with this.

Also, if this is so "extreme" and not simply liberal, then how was the law able to pass in both California and New York? Clearly it has a lot of liberal support.

No,I said it has nothing to do with liberals and that nothing in liberal feminist ideology has anything to do with this. I also said you simply have taken a segment out of a group that technically includes millions that are pushing this for their radical feminists beliefs. There is nothing about liberal feminism or liberalism that is consistent with the 'Yes means Yes' policy.

What you are doing would be the equivalent of saying the Westboro Baptist Church and going to gay funerals and yelling hateful remarks is consistent with Christian ideology. It is intellectually dishonest. Just because you found a group that has let the lunatics run the asylum doesn't change the fact that nothing about liberal feminist ideology or liberal ideology would support this. Finding members not consistent with their own ideology or trying to change it or go way past it is common in nay large group as any large group will have radical extremists. Don't pretend that you don't know the difference between that and what the actual ideology is.

 

[ben236]

In fairness, if you told me up front you were 'slow' we could have saved some time. Here is the definition of "left-wing"

"the liberal, socialist, or radical section of a political party or system."

And while I am sure you think you are good at reading minds, you should probably first work on your reading words skills. THEN maybe move on to more complicated things

Lol... You might want to read that again.

Liberal, socialist OR radical section of a political party or system."

You do realize that the inclusion of "or" implies mutual exclusivity right? Meaning that I'm not necessarily referring to liberalism when I say left wing.

 

[chokeyou]

And you just described this as courtship and romance. A quick hook up with a stranger.

Yeah lets bang a drunk chick on the toilet but god forbid you ask for her explicit consent first THAT MIGHT RUIN THE MAGIC OF THE MOMENT BRO!


I feel the same way about this insane thread.

Like why is this a problem for you guys? For your society? Finding a reliable way to get consent out of bitches? Jesus fucking christ. Why is this even a problem in your lives, I'll never understand, I just hope this is another instance of MRA bitching.

How many marriages, relationships and families have resulted from "hook ups?" This is the reality of how many people find their soulmates.

Also, I'm pretty sure most women don't want men asking them "do you want to have sex" before they get it on, and in fact would find it creepy as fuck. This law sucks for everyone, and it certainly isn't going to stop a rapist when there are already laws that make rape illegal.

 

[skombolis]

And you just described this as courtship and romance. A quick hook up with a stranger.

Yeah lets bang a drunk chick on the toilet but god forbid you ask for her explicit consent first THAT MIGHT RUIN THE MAGIC OF THE MOMENT BRO!


I feel the same way about this insane thread.

Like why is this a problem for you guys? For your society? Finding a reliable way to get consent out of bitches? Jesus fucking christ. Why is this even a problem in your lives, I'll never understand, I just hope this is another instance of MRA bitching.

You obviously don't have sex much or at all or you would know how absurd it is to think it doesn't ruin the moment by asking for consent that is already obviously implied to legally protect yourself. Unless your only sex is through 'services' that you need a credit card for. Then maybe contracts are standard for you. Because trust me, for normal people, they are not.

 

[skombolis]

How many marriages, relationships and families have resulted from "hook ups?" This is the reality of how many people find their soulmates.

Also, I'm pretty sure most women don't want men asking them "do you want to have sex" before they get it on, and in fact would find it creepy as fuck. This law sucks for everyone, and it certainly isn't going to stop a rapist when there are already laws that make rape illegal.

We are so in agreement on this

It is insulting and creepy. I think most girls i know would laugh if someone asked them that and get dressed and then laugh with their friends about what a loser the guy was they almost slept with.

Maybe we should have oral contracts on the whole process?

Can I hold your hand. Can I kiss you? Can I take your shirt off. Can I touch your breasts. Can I.....well obviously going further would be ironically kind of creepy too but you get the point obviously

 

[chokeyou]

No,I said it has nothing to do with liberals and that nothing in liberal feminist ideology has anything to do with this. I also said you simply have taken a segment out of a group that technically includes millions that are pushing this for their radical feminists beliefs. There is nothing about liberal feminism or liberalism that is consistent with the 'Yes means Yes' policy.

What you are doing would be the equivalent of saying the Westboro Baptist Church and going to gay funerals and yelling hateful remarks is consistent with Christian ideology. It is intellectually dishonest. Just because you found a group that has let the lunatics run the asylum doesn't change the fact that nothing about liberal feminist ideology or liberal ideology would support this. Finding members not consistent with their own ideology or trying to change it or go way past it is common in nay large group as any large group will have radical extremists. Don't pretend that you don't know the difference between that and what the actual ideology is.

The "asylum" we are talking about is California, New York, and the colleges in them, that is hardly the equivalent of the Westboro Baptist Church. My point is that people are giving in to extreme left ideology over fear of being labeled rape apologists, and I'm dead on. This law is exactly the crap that spews from leftist feminist ideology, and I've proved that it's in fact the leftist feminists that are pushing it so you're just going to have to accept that you're dead wrong.

 

[skombolis]

Lol... You might want to read that again.

Liberal, socialist OR radical section of a political party or system."

You do realize that the inclusion of "or" implies mutual exclusivity right? Meaning that I'm not necessarily referring to liberalism when I say left wing.

lol

And by not excluding it is is assumed, especially since anybody over 12 that still attends school knows the most common association is left-wing (liberal) and right wing (conservative). You kept saying "left-wing" and then were completely baffled by why I was saying 'liberal'. You even explained i should have known you did NOT mean 'liberal' because you said 'left-wing', as if by definition left-wing isn't liberal!

Just pry your foot out of your mouth and hope to do better next post

 

[dontsnitch]

And you just described this as courtship and romance. A quick hook up with a stranger.

Yeah lets bang a drunk chick on the toilet but god forbid you ask for her explicit consent first THAT MIGHT RUIN THE MAGIC OF THE MOMENT BRO!

That's kind of a strawman, not all hookups are toilet-encounters. The point is that sex is obvious, it's non-verbal, and it's unrealistic to change the inherent nature of humanity.

I actually despise hook-up culture. This doesn't change how utterly bizarre it is to suggest we need to rewrite sex.

What exactly is the problem to begin with that this is being suggested?

 

[chokeyou]

I wonder if this law requires that you specifically ask before trying to put it in the pooper, if so you can pretty much say by by to butt sex. "Do you want to do it in the butt?" LOL!

 

[Jack V Savage]

We are so in agreement on this

It is insulting and creepy. I think most girls i know would laugh if someone asked them that and get dressed and then laugh with their friends about what a loser the guy was they almost slept with.

Maybe we should have oral contracts on the whole process?

Can I hold your hand. Can I kiss you? Can I take your shirt off. Can I touch your breasts. Can I.....well obviously going further would be ironically kind of creepy too but you get the point obviously

These kinds of posts are kind of weird to me. You guys can't imagine affirmative consent in the natural course of business? Wouldn't like mutual undressing of the other person or yourself, pulling stuff into places, an encouraging comment, etc. count? That all seems pretty normal. It seems like this is really about avoiding the "seeing what you can get away with step by step" approach more than about putting the brakes on natural, mutual getting it on.

 

[ben236]

And you just described this as courtship and romance. A quick hook up with a stranger.

Yeah lets bang a drunk chick on the toilet but god forbid you ask for her explicit consent first THAT MIGHT RUIN THE MAGIC OF THE MOMENT BRO!

Been there, done that, and yes... Totally would have ruined the magic.





But TBF, it was the VIP room.

 

[skombolis]

The "asylum" we are talking about is California, New York, and the colleges in them, that is hardly the equivalent of the Westboro Baptist Church. My point is that people are giving in to extreme left ideology over fear of being labeled rape apologists, and I'm dead on. This law is exactly the crap that spews from leftist feminist ideology, and I've proved that it's in fact the leftist feminists that are pushing it so you're just going to have to accept that you're dead wrong.

If what you are saying is correct, which it is not, then simply copy and paste any definition of leftist feminist ideology that is consistent with what this bill is trying to do. How hard of a request is that?

If you can't do it, then apologize that you kept including the phrase 'liberal ideology' when there is absolutely nothing about liberal ideology, feminist or otherwise that would support this. And instead you used certain members of a group of millions to try to pretend their actions are consistent with an ideology that they aren't. If you wanted to complain some of these liberal feminists have gone off their nut that would have been fine. But when you try to package it as liberal ideology you are simply wrong.

 

[MeatheadMike]

So to sum up this thread... nobody (including both left & right wing posters) seems to actually agree with this policy. Instead the argument is about right wing posters wanting to label this policy as liberal put the blame for it squarely on the left

 

[skombolis]

These kinds of posts are kind of weird to me. You guys can't imagine affirmative consent in the natural course of business? Wouldn't like mutual undressing of the other person or yourself, pulling stuff into places, an encouraging comment, etc. count? That all seems pretty normal. It seems like this is really about avoiding the "seeing what you can get away with step by step" approach more than about putting the brakes on natural, mutual getting it on.

Referring to sex as what you did in the highlighted portion seems weird to me although maybe it is just how you decided to phrase it and not indicative of the implication that you view sex as a business interaction where contracts are standard.

Unless someone is raping someone, with someone retarded, underage, or non-human it has never been a problem. A girl has no problem communicating, sometimes verbally, sometimes by using her hands, where the line is. So long as she is equally participating, it is assumed the green light is on. Someone comes off like a creepy virgin if they are like "um, is it ok now if I put my penis in your vagina?". I mean wtf, this is what sex has become today? And she will let you know well before she is completely naked (or from the waist down) and you are on top of her. I have never been in that situation when a woman was naked, I was naked, I got on top of her and right before penetration she was like "wtf are you doing?"

 

[skombolis]

So to sum up this thread... nobody (including both left & right wing posters) seems to actually agree with this policy. Instead the argument is about right wing posters wanting to label this policy as liberal put the blame for it squarely on the left

Yep

I mean why all agree on something when we can pretend it is something to politicize and fight about non-related issues? That would make way too much sense

 

[Jack V Savage]

Referring to sex as what you did in the highlighted portion seems weird to me although maybe it is just how you decided to phrase it and not indicative of the implication that you view sex as a business interaction where contracts are standard.

No, it's just slang. You're reading way too much into it.

Unless someone is raping someone, with someone retarded, underage, or non-human it has never been a problem. A girl has no problem communicating, sometimes verbally, sometimes by using her hands, where the line is. So long as she is equally participating, it is assumed the green light is on. Someone comes off like a creepy virgin if they are like "um, is it ok now if I put my penis in your vagina?". I mean wtf, this is what sex has become today?

That's what I'm saying. Affirmative consent is a normal part of sex, and doesn't kill the mood (it adds to it generally, unless you think a girl saying "f--- me" or some variation of that is a turnoff) or require the kinds of interactions that people are suggesting that it does.

 

[chokeyou]

If what you are saying is correct, which it is not, then simply copy and paste and definition of leftist feminist ideology that is consistent with what this bill is trying to do. How hard of a request is that?

If you can't do it, then apologize that you kept including the phrase 'liberal ideology' when there is absolutely nothing about liberal ideology, feminist or otherwise that would support this. And instead you used certain members of a group of millions to try to pretend their actions are consistent with an ideology that they aren't. If you wanted to complain some of these liberal feminists have gone off their nut that would have been fine. But when you try to package it is liberal ideology you are simply wrong.

I copy and pasted a quote that was directly on point from the largest liberal feminist organization in the country. It's not like there is feminist scripture that can be pointed to, there is no bible for leftists. This shit is being pushed from the left, and the fact that it only further propagates stereotypes about women goes to show how fucking stupid feminazis and leftists can be. Just because it's dumb doesn't mean it isn't coming from the left.

 

[cincymma79]

This ideology is pushed by big hairy lesbians that want to scare young women away from those violent men and into their caring knuckles.

If you ask for a yes aren't you coercing them into saying it?