WW vs HW

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  1. attftl86

    attftl86 Blue Belt

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    Seriously, I'd take top 5 WW in the majority of HW fights if they ever did fight, they won't, but I would bet on them to take it. Guys like Hendricks, Lawlor, Lombard, I'd pick to beat any heavyweight outside of the top 8. They lack athleticism, have horrendous cardio, and their technique is short of non existent. WW vs MW and LHW, don't think so, those guys are still fast, athletic, technical, and have cardio to last 3 rounds without looking like their going to die.

    Thinking about this watch some guys in class tonight, guys who fight at 170, they run over the HW's, they may struggle for a couple minutes, literally, but after that, the welterweight guys do whatever they want, too fast, too strong. Anybody else notice this in training? I can't decide where it's worse, in stand up or grappling.
     
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    Well, Hendricks walks around at 210, so with a little more bulking he could get to 220 and destroy some of the weaker HW's. I would agree, same with Lombard and Woodley.
     
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    If this is true, why not fight at HW?

    When you say 9 and up? You mean 9, 8, 7, ect? or 9 and 10, 11, ect? (usually up, refers to the former)
     
  4. Fight Professor

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    It is not that far fetched. After the first round WWs will get more and more advantage as time goes on.
     
  5. attftl86

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    9-100. I think anyone in the top 8 would be a bit too much, not only do they have size, they all are for the most part serious athletes that have serious skill, like I don't imagine any WW surviving against Cain, werdum, jds, Bigfoot, miocic etc

    Edit: I guess because they know they can never make it to the top of their division when they meet guys with power like JDS, or speed and cardio like cain
     
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    Guys from wws hate to be called "baddest man on the planet"
     
  7. Natman2939

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    It's interesting. I don't think enough people think about that.

    A lot of guys who could potentially be #2 in a certain division will change weight classes if they think they can be #1

    Machida could quite possibly be the 2nd best LHW (maybe even the best on a great night) but he decided instead he'd do better at MW.

    Edgar could probably work his way back into the title picture at LW but he figured he might as well drop down to FW.

    Lot of other examples i"m not naming right now
     
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    so they couldn't beat the cans but could own JDS and Cain? get real son.
     
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    He meant 9 and DOWN. He clarified that later on when i asked.
     
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    well if TS is man enough to make a thread, he is man enough to get it right. sportkillergreg out.
     
  11. attftl86

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    You get real son, use common sense. 9 and up, NOT Top 8.
     
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    I'd like to get Rumble's opinion on this.
     
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    A lot of WW's come in around 195lb on fight night. Given around 15lb of Muscle @ 210lb I'm sure most of the top 5 WW's would beat most HW's outside the top 10.

    WW is far more talented. At the end of the day not many people in the world are HW's so the depth of talent is no even close.
     
  14. attftl86

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    What the fuck are you talking about
     
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    Anthony Johnson already did this against arlovski
     
  16. Natman2939

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    he's just saying you're using the wrong term. No big deal, but I would change the OP if I were you (so tons of people don't ask you the same thing)

    You're talking about 9 and DOWN. 9 and UP refers to 9-1

    I can understand why you might see it the other way, but because it's rankings, you go UP the rankings. Higher is up.
     
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    Only problem is if the HW actually catches them. It will look bad. Im still in favor of open weight fights.
     
  18. MeatheadFighter

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    This has to be one of the dumbest threads I've ever read here, and that says a lot.

    Lawler was mediocre as a MW, and even lost to a washed up Babalu at 195. To think he could do anything at HW is laughable.

    Lombard was mediocre at 185 in the UFC and was destroyed by Barnett when they trained together. They have weight classes for a reason. Do you think those guys are making those huge cuts for the fun of it?
     
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    Hendricks 1st round KO vs Cain
     
  20. kingskot

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    Storey little dudes, bigger is better. Weight classes exist for a reason, and although there are a few counter examples, "the plural of anecdote is not data", as they say.
     

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