Wtf is up with all the climate change denial lately?

[Orgasmo]

Not my problem.

It's everyone's problem. Extreme weather causes severe environmental damage and disruptions to the economy, which society has to collectively pay for. Drop in food production means higher cost of living for average consumers, not to mention people being displaced by famine coming to the West as refugees. Unless you're a hermit, it will impact you in some ways.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

It seems obvious that temperatures have been on the rise since at least the 1970s. What seems far less obvious is that global temperatures will continue to rise at the same rate into the future.

Until we can actually develop reliable models I think our efforts would be better spent trying to cut down on actual pollutants like sulfur dioxide or carbon monoxide than a relatively inert gas like carbon dioxide.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

good point about nuclear

nuclear is amazingly efficient, powerful and clean

its a lot safer than liberals make it out to be, assuming people actually follow rules and regulations. but people breaking rules in the past made people scared

"b-but a nuclear meltdown can be hazardous for our environment"
yeah but so is "climate change" caused by fossil fuels.

i would love to go nuclear assuming that we're safe about it

It seems to me that anyone who is anti-nuclear isn't very serious about carbon dioxide as a cause of global calamity.

 

[superpunch]

It's everyone's problem. Extreme weather causes severe environmental damage and disruptions to the economy, which society has to collectively pay for. Drop in food production means higher cost of living for average consumers, not to mention people being displaced by famine coming to the West as refugees. Unless you're a hermit, it will impact you in some ways.

We'll get to grow oranges in Alaska. It'll be a boom.

No really, that's all going to happen way after you die. So who cares?

 

[Dramovitch]

It is obvious the Koch brothers need more money and power. The Oligarchs must be fed.

The peasants can die, they are disposable.

And Putin needs sanctions off to sell more oil & gas.

Just business as usual.

 

[carlos cadona]

We all know why.

 

[Limbo Pete]

I just don't give a shit about it tbh. Every time I hear someone whining about it I care even less.

Ironic given your history of literally shouting at the sky imo

 

[Rozko]

good point about nuclear

nuclear is amazingly efficient, powerful and clean

its a lot safer than liberals make it out to be, assuming people actually follow rules and regulations. but people breaking rules in the past made people scared

"b-but a nuclear meltdown can be hazardous for our environment"
yeah but so is "climate change" caused by fossil fuels.

i would love to go nuclear assuming that we're safe about it

The Gen 4 reactors are things of beauty. Too bad their research was killed in the 90s.

 

[Fedorable]

I'm in favor of climate change. I like warm weather.

it is nice.

 

[Whippy McGee]

good point about nuclear

nuclear is amazingly efficient, powerful and clean

its a lot safer than liberals make it out to be, assuming people actually follow rules and regulations. but people breaking rules in the past made people scared

"b-but a nuclear meltdown can be hazardous for our environment"
yeah but so is "climate change" caused by fossil fuels.

i would love to go nuclear assuming that we're safe about it

We are incredibly safe about it. I am in the nuclear energy industry and work for about 75% of the plants in the U.S. I can tell you exactly what happened at Fukushima and Chernobyl. Both were serious human errors and even with an Earthquake and Tsunami loss of containment only happened because of a failure in Japan's political system. They had the meltdown contained in the building by design. All they had to do was "vent off" the hydrogen and pressure that builds up. That is what they did at 3 Mile Island in 1979. But, in Japan the Plant Manager cannot make that call like they can in North America (Canada too). They had to have permission from the local government who failed to answer their request for over 16 hours when the first building blew. Even then, they failed and the rest of the buildings went shortly there after. We watched in horror live yelling at our screens "Vent off you fucking idiots". They never did it.

Chernobyl was the weekend crew. Check the date it happened (Saturday). The weekend crew came in with a stick up their ass to make the normal crew look bad. So they ran a test they were not authorized to run to prove the back up water pumps did not automatically come on when they shut off the main pumps. Well, those assholes were right, but they waited so long to try and restart the main pumps that they had melted them. It was only a matter of time then. The Russians were such assholes they didn't even build a containment building making Chernobyl a total disaster with no hope of containment.

 

[JSnake]

Is the dispute over actual climate change itself or the reason for it changing?

 

[superpunch]

The only viable and affordable power source at this time that is zero carbon emissions is nuclear and Liberals reject it, so they can STFU.

We use microwaves on a daily basis and no one's scared of that. Liberals are just irrationally scared of radiation because of the special interest groups.

 

[superpunch]

Is the dispute over actual climate change itself or the reason for it changing?

Both. We had record breaking snowfall where I live. Broke a multiple-thousand year old record. Happened to where my friend lives too on the other side of the country. I don't even buy into global warming, let alone that we're causing it.

 

[waiguoren]

Pollution:
as much as we like to criticize the EPA, look at China and SE Asia: people ride their bikes wearing face masks. I seen pictures from Beijing hi-rise condos where you can not even see your own hand sticking out of the window. The waterways are pretty scary too.

US is fairly clean pollution wise but we gotta compete with China and others who don't go by the same rules, so we gotta find some kind of a balance...we can't be the 'good guys' and let them run as over.

About climate change: I don't know... but I do care about pollution

I live in China and the pictures are real. Pollution is a serious matter and we need national regulations on it.

The leftists at the EPA have created confusion for example by using terms like "Clean Power Plan" to describe regulations on carbon dioxide, a non-pollutant.

 

[Fedorable]

We are incredibly safe about it. I am in the nuclear energy industry and work for about 75% of the plants in the U.S. I can tell you exactly what happened at Fukushima and Chernobyl. Both were serious human errors and even with an Earthquake and Tsunami loss of containment only happened because of a failure in Japan's political system. They had the meltdown contained in the building by design. All they had to do was "vent off" the hydrogen and pressure that builds up. That is what they did at 3 Mile Island in 1979. But, in Japan the Plant Manager cannot make that call like they can in North America (Canada too). They had to have permission from the local government who failed to answer their request for over 16 hours when the first building blew. Even then, they failed and the rest of the buildings went shortly there after. We watched in horror live yelling at our screens "Vent off you fucking idiots". They never did it.

Chernobyl was the weekend crew. Check the date it happened (Saturday). The weekend crew came in with a stick up their ass to make the normal crew look bad. So they ran a test they were not authorized to run to prove the back up water pumps did not automatically come on when they shut off the main pumps. Well, those assholes were right, but they waited so long to try and restart the main pumps that they had melted them. It was only a matter of time then. The Russians were such assholes they didn't even build a containment building making Chernobyl a total disaster with no hope of containment.

my ex-roommate's dad is a head at the local nuclear plant. Used to be a captain of a nuclear sub.

 

[Whippy McGee]

my ex-roommate's dad is a head at the local nuclear plant. Used to be a captain of a nuclear sub.

That sounds right. Most in the nuclear industry are ex-Navy carrier or nuclear guys as they have experience and that is one of the few places. They are also very old now as we really quit building new ones since the early 1980's until just recently when we added Watts Bar 2 and near completion on Vogtle.

 

[waiguoren]

It's everyone's problem. Extreme weather causes severe environmental damage and disruptions to the economy, which society has to collectively pay for. Drop in food production means higher cost of living for average consumers, not to mention people being displaced by famine coming to the West as refugees. Unless you're a hermit, it will impact you in some ways.

Do you believe mankind can prevent extreme weather?

 

[Whippy McGee]

It's everyone's problem. Extreme weather causes severe environmental damage and disruptions to the economy, which society has to collectively pay for. Drop in food production means higher cost of living for average consumers, not to mention people being displaced by famine coming to the West as refugees. Unless you're a hermit, it will impact you in some ways.

Actually IF the theory were true, your conclusion is not. We would have MORE arable farm land as vast parts of Canada, Europe, and Russia would open up for farming with the warming.

 

[7437]

I live in China and the pictures are real. Pollution is a serious matter and we need national regulations on it.

The leftists at the EPA have created confusion for example by using terms like "Clean Power Plan" to describe regulations on carbon dioxide, a non-pollutant.

Nah, pollutions not a big deal. Thats why we are gonna get rid of those regulations, they kill jobs.

 

[Kingz]

I am pro-environment and believe in environmental regulations, but I think there is distrust that regulations are made for political purposes by the government as a deterrent to businesses in favor for a bigger government. Regulations can cripple smaller business owners.

I have no real insight on it.

Yeah..mighty convenient that all the steps to fight it involve basically becoming a socialist society.

I remember the ending notes of Al Gore's with that gay Melissa Ethridge song.

Gotta ride government mass transit now people now
Gotta protect the earth resources now people now
Gotta switch to government peddled energy now people now
Gotta trust your government now people now