Wrestling vs Jiu Jitsu

[triso]

I just got my sherdog blue, maybe I should make a thread for people to congratulate me :wink:

 

[knoxpk]

+1 for Triso..end of thread

 

[sproggdawg]

I think if you found someone whos been wrestling for 3 years, and someone whos been doing BJJ for 3 years, and put them in a ring or on the street then the BJJ guy would win. In my experience wrestlers tend to do very well against lower ranking BJJ practitioners(white and blue belts). But once you get to purple your game should be refined enough to handle the aggressive takedowns and exceptional positioning and head control that wrestlers are known for. Ive found that guard specialists are very effective against wrestlers. The wrestler wants you on your back, and thats where your the most danerous.

 

[fozzit]

Wrestling + Boxing = Classic American Fighting

BJJ + Muy Thai = More Techniques, but doesn't mean better

 

[Commissar]

NO IT ISNT!!!

The USA has alot of great wrestlers that has gone into MMA with a wrestlign background, that has alot to do with it.

The great fighters with a base in wrestling would do just as well in pride...

Not really. Only the wrestlers with very good ground and pound would be good in Pride. Otherwise, they'll be stood up.

Thats not a problem in the UFC.

So yes, the rules do matter.

 

[jludley]

By that logic, why not do freestyle jiu jitsu or straight jiu jitsu? They have the best win to loss ratio? Of course, I am not sure what options are available to you.

Anyways, thanks for serving man.

Thats what it is that Im learning is freestyle jiu jitsu

 

[jludley]

Colin I agree but the thread starter was asking to compare styles based on stats from MMA which are fought by MMA fighters.

But the point I was trying to make on my post that even at its most base level wrestling and BJJ(even in the early days) was pretty much a wash.

As it still is today with both stylists crosstraining.

In one way I was trying to compare that but on the other hand my teacher said to me that my wrestling background would not help me whatsoever in jiu jitsu and I disagreed with that and thats what inspired this thread.

 

[jludley]

Tommorow I start training the teacher is a good friend of mine and has competed in some amateur mma events and he's working his way up but I got 10 yrs wrestling expieriance and I trained in freestyle jiu jitsu before with my uncle rod who claims to be good friends with Pat Miletech. Im gonna straight up wrestle him tommorow if he wants and he can use jiu jitsu and I will post the results.

 

[EnemyOfTheState]

By that logic, why not do freestyle jiu jitsu or straight jiu jitsu? They have the best win to loss ratio? Of course, I am not sure what options are available to you.

Anyways, thanks for serving man.

What a jerk off...

 

[Wrestler_Piper]

I think wrestling and BJJ are great together. A little easier to get the wrestling part first though maybe. Atleast in the US because if you wrestling in high-school and college you'll be used to hard training and competing.
But I think the comparison is a little unfair. Wrestling is supposed to be non-violent, it's just a physical chess match so to speak, and BJJ was designed with fighting and self defence in mind.

 

[jludley]

Im gonna have this match later today we are both pretty damn good at what we do we'll see I do got some freestyle jiu jitsu in my background to though but Ill strictly wrestle him. I cant wait to use the both in an actual tournament of sort though.

 

[FutureBxer]

I start jiu jitsu lessons tommorow Ive done jiu jitsu in the past. I was originally a wrestler though Ive wrestled for about 11 yrs now my teacher is trying to tell me that wrestling is no match for jiu jitsu. I disagree with that because wrestling is a lot about control and jiu jitsu is more offensive than wrestling but at the same time I feel wrestling would do very well against jiu jitsu. Whats your opinion?

wrestling and jiu jitsu go hand in hand. You need control and positioning just like you need submissions. Funny that bjj is considered more offense... I wouldnt say it's more offensive.. i mean it depends on what you consider "offense" . wrestling has different goals in bjj and imo when it comes to reaching those goals - wrestlers are more aggressive and more offensive. ive heard a lot of wrestlers have a habit of bringing their wrestling aggression to bjj and gassing out fast. So it all depends on the rules - in sub grappling = bjj more offensive cuz it focus's on subs. wrestling is more offensive when it comes to positioning and control.

 

[Hamit Aktas]

If I had to choose, I'd pick BJJ over Wrestling any day of the week. But that's me. Each to his own.

 

[Masakatsu Funaki #1]

Why do people always go on and on about wrestling only being about control and blah blah. Wrestling DOES HAVE SUBMISSIONS. Through the years, due to rules, a lot of them have been either dumbed down or totally forgotten. A prime example of a submission still being utilized in wrestling would be the banana split. You have to be either facing a fish or really skilled at the move to pull it off though, but once its locked on, you will get the tap no doubt. I am really surpised you dont see the move often in submission wrestling. It isnt used, so you would catch mad people by pure ignorance with it. When you getthe back and have a leg in, its really easy to work. But anywho, dont left people fool you, wrestling is a compelte grappling system, that has devolved the past few years (more like generations ) So maybe I typed all that for nothing, maybe I just helped proved the BJJ guy's points. Wrestling isnt what it use to be (I still prefer my wrestling though )

 

[pitviper259]

If you make a list of MMA champions you have:

1.- BJ Penn (BJJ)
2.- Hugues (Wrestling)
3.- Nogueira (BJJ)
4.- Bustamante (BJJ)
5.- Couture (Wrestling)
6.- Mir (BJJ)
7.- Coleman (Wrestling)

You could go on and on...there are good fighters with a BJJ background or Wrestling background, and now people learn all, like Hugues who is now one of the best sub artist in the WW division.
It's hard to say wich is the better style.

you know what.... i had read every post up until this one and i was gonna say that every single person needs wrestling over bjj for positioning and td's...... but golpe here changed my mind hes right to be good at mma you have to know a little of ALL the fighting styles out there, shit think about it i dont know one pure bjj guy or wrestler out there anymore?? everyone cross trains because that is what makes a good mma fighter

 

[vigilante90210]

why not do both?

 

[knoxpk]

A prime example of a submission still being utilized in wrestling would be the banana split. You have to be either facing a fish or really skilled at the move to pull it off though, but once its locked on, you will get the tap no doubt.

And I believe Eddie Bravo uses a move he calls the TWISTER.
From it's appearance it's simply a wrestling style guillotine.

 

[bumma]

the banana split/spread eagle whatever you want to call it is verrry different from the wrestling style guillotine. oh and Masakatsu i understand what you mean, as i'm a wrestler myself, but there aren't really any submissions in wrestling. The banana split, though a submission in bjj, is just used for back points. You might get scream points but I always that was kind of lame. I can't really think of any other moves that would submit people, can you? I've tapped kids before with a bar and a half or just cranking a head lock really hard back when I just started bjj, but that was just because I had no idea what I was doing and neither did they.
That said, i still prefer my wrestling just because I'm better at it and i like the intensitiy and fast pace of the sport. I think to be a good grappler you need to be well versed in both though.

 

[knoxpk]

the banana split/spread eagle whatever you want to call it is verrry different from the wrestling style guillotine

We know that, the TWISTER and guillotine are practically the same move, just the set up is different.

 

[Zankou]

Wrestlers tend to be much better athletes than BJJ guys, so the technical advantages of either are hard to piece out.

Generally, I think pure BJJ is stronger for MMA than pure wrestling, but a pure wrestler with a decent bit of BJJ is usually stronger than a pure BJJ guy with a decent bit of wrestling. Because sub defense is so much easier to implement than sub offense, while there is no real good defense against G&P.