Wrestling is fighting.

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  1. $uperman

    $uperman Black Belt Platinum Member

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    King Mo vs Rampage was mostly a wrestling match. And King Mo outwrestled Rampage.

    So he obviously won, because wrestling is fighting. It is one of the most effective ways of fighting in history.

     
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    holding and pushing doesn't end fights.
     
  3. MilesAbove

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    Wrestling can LEAD to ending a fight, but is not a fight-ending action. It's like saying holding guard well is fighting.

    Now, if you're slamming people or GnPing or trying to sub them WHILST wrestling.... but that's not just wrestling.
     
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    Wrestling can be fighting.

    What Mo did last night however was not fighting it was highly technical stalling and a bit of holding onto a man's ankles for dear life mixed in for good measure.
     
  5. $uperman

    $uperman Black Belt Platinum Member

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    Why should it end fight, you can also win on points.

    King Mo controlled Rampage and the fight.
     
  6. Degen Gambler

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    I would have rather been Rampage than Mo during that fight.
     
  7. Soul On Ice

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    Punching someone in the face > Takedowns/clinching.

    No idea why some people wanna endorse lay n pray.
     
  8. $uperman

    $uperman Black Belt Platinum Member

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    King Mo was obviously the dominant fighter.

    She he should have won.
     
  9. $uperman

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    80% of the fight outwrestling the opponent >>>>> punching the opponent a few times.
     
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    If you have to use the word "controlled" to underscore why someone should win.... you're on the losing end of the argument. Because to "control" you are stifling the opponents ability to fight. To negate another's ability to fight is not intrinsically fighting the opponent.

    I know Mo. I like Mo. I don't think he won the fight because the only thing I can point to for reasons he won is "He held him down some of the time." There was no GnP. There was no Sub attempt. There was no concern for Rampage at any point.

    In fact, to call what he did "control" doesn't really tell the whole story either. If he was controlling Rampage he could have at least tried to finish. But he didn't because he couldn't secure a strong position on Rampage.
     
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    Totally agree

    regarding the fight in question

    what an absolute snoozefest, one of the most painfully uneventful fights I've seen in quite some time, for a main event, that was pretty atrocious.

    My own feeling is that they spent so much time talking in the pre-fight , they were both gassed before they even entered the cage
     
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    $uperman Black Belt Platinum Member

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    So because Rampage get controlled 80% of the fight, but give a few punches he won the fight?
     
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    He was so dominant he spent the entire fight running or clinching to avoid exchanges.

    Hate to break it to you but Rampage stopped more takedowns than Mo actually completed. What was the total amount of time they spent on the mat in round 2 and 3? It was a fraction of the time that Mo spent stalling or running on the feet.
     
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    Lots of things are considered fighting.

    King Mo via best in ring argument?
     
  15. MilesAbove

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    Look, man. I'm not going to change your mind. That's fine. You keep saying Mo won and see how well it works. Wrestling shouldn't and didn't win the fight when it leads to nothing. You keep throwing out the 80% stat, which I'm not sure where you're getting it from. But regardless, if Mo get's all those "control" points (essentially "cage control"), then all Rampage gets is striking, aggression, attempt to finish, damage, etc....

    But like I said, you're not here to have your mind changed. You're here to complain about something most are VERY happy about. The guy who laid on another guy didn't get the win.
     
  16. Soul On Ice

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    Nothing Mo did was offense, the only purpose his takedowns served was to stop Rampage from hitting him.
    2-1 Rampage, easy.
     
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    If you stopped more punches by blocking than you get punches. It means that you still get punches. And punches count and blocking punches don't count.

    The same with takedowns. Takedowns count, but defending takedowns doesn't count.

    Most of the time in the fight King Mo was in a dominant position.

    So Rampage who was 80% of the fight a victim won the fight, because he throwed some punches.
     
  18. Degen Gambler

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    If it were a basketball game Mo did the equivalent of dribbling to the basket but not shooting. Rampage did the equivalent of launching a bunch of deep 3 pointers where he missed most but he made a couple.
     
  19. $uperman

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    But then King Mo also did the equivalent of launching a bunch of deep 3 pointers ( takedowns) where he missed most but he made a couple.

    + King Mo had cage control.
     
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    Good footwork is fighting just as much as wrestling is fighting.

    But (unless it does damage, i.e. slam) it shouldn't be scored alone. Its a MEANS TO AN END ONLY.
     

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