Wrestling in MMA debate

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  1. GEEOHH8

    GEEOHH8 White Belt

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    I believe that the wrestling aspect of MMA isn't as dominant compared to how it was 5 to 10 years ago, because of how the game has evolved obviously. Agree or disagree?
     
  2. MisdemeanorMMA

    MisdemeanorMMA Blue Belt

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    The game has evolved but grappling still rules.
     
  3. Drake

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    Eh, don't know about that. Look at some of the top fighters in each division.


    HW: Stipe, Cain
    LHW: DC, Jones, Bader
    MW: Romero, Rockhold, Weidman
    WW: Woodley
    LW: Khabib, RDA
    FW: Frankie, Lamas
    BW: Cruz, TJ, Rivera
    WBW: McMann
    Fly: DJ, Benavidez, Cejudo
    SW: Gadelha, Esparza
     
  4. itheuser

    itheuser Brown Belt

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    Grappling will always rule. It's the nature of the game.

    It will always be easier to close the distance than it is to keep it open.
     
  5. GEEOHH8

    GEEOHH8 White Belt

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    I agree with that statement, all I'm saying is compared to 10 years ago that list would be a lot longer probably
     
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    whougonnacall Silver Belt

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    The striking aspect in mma is still developing ,elite level strikers dont flood mma like grapplers do .
     
  7. SexyBaroni

    SexyBaroni Brown Belt

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    A strike will always be faster than clinch/takedown.

    Every fight starts on the feet.
    And strikers move much better than grapplers.
    Holly/Ronda - recent best example.
     
  8. dontlaugh

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    Dominant grapplers with decent sriking do well
    Dominant grapplers with shitty striking might struggle
    Dominant strikers with shitty grappling struggle
    Dominant strikers with good grappling dominate
     
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  9. BrownieByTheTV

    BrownieByTheTV Orange Belt

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    In 2006 the p4p rankings were filled with dominate grapplers with limited striking and great strikers with good TDD. In 2011 it was Anderson Silva and mostly wrestlers. Right now it's guys that can do both.
     
  10. Reach4theSky

    Reach4theSky Playin' a riddim

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    Conclusion - Wrestlers make good fighters..
     
  11. Bogeyman

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    CM Punk's debut settled this debate. Wrestlers should stick to wrestling.
     
  12. Hoop

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    I'd go along with that.

    But I think to put it bluntly - it takes a lot longer to try and work out strikers like a Thompson, Conor and Cruz - though he's probably more complex to figure out with his movement - than someone whose strength is the US style of wrestling nowadays.

    But still; Thompson was dropped twice by Woodley in their last fight - I thought he was a little bit predictable against Woodley, but obviously still dangerous.

    Conor got taken down by Mendes - and regardless of injury or not, I still think Mendes would have gotten him down.

    Cruz has being tagged and dropped.

    It seems like the gap to learn the fundamentals of stuffing a take down or being pushed against the fence and trying to be taken down that way seems to be something that can be learned in a relatively short space of time, compared to a grappler who has to learn all the nuances of a high level striker/someone whose being doing it from a young age.
     
  13. dontlaugh

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    A good wrestled can always convert the threat of a takedown into overhands and catch anybody by surprise. Thing is, when they CAN'T find home for their best striking weapons, they struggle on feet.

    Tyron vs Rory Mac
     
  14. Curly Peibce

    Curly Peibce Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    No, I think promoters give most grapplers grief in one way or another for not going for knockouts. As do boring fans.
     
  15. HHJ

    HHJ Jeg reiser til mørkets dyp der alt er dødt.

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    The game will never evolve to the point that wrestling isnt the strongest.
     
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  16. Arqueto176

    Arqueto176 “Luminous beings are we…not this crude matter.”

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    A wrestler with zero striking can enter MMA and do well while developing decent standup.

    A striker with zero wrestling can enter MMA and more likely than not will get wrecked.

    Wrestling rules.
     
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  17. Hoop

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    Indeed. I liked how Mendes used to fake the take down and then turn it into an uppercut - the second fight with Aldo he caught him with that bang on the money, and I'm not quite sure how it didn't drop him.
     
  18. BigMuffler

    BigMuffler Loli is love loli is life!

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    Also Alvarez, Pena and Zingano, I'd hesitate a bit to include T-Ferg but he has a wrestling background too. Mendes is suspended but he's another you could think of and hopefully Hendricks can turn it around.

    WAR hugging, ALWAYS!
     
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  19. Bluesbreaker

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    A couple of points:
    -MMA has shown us it's usually more difficult to knock someone out, or down, than movies suggest.
    -There really are very few superb strikers in MMA, or more specifically, that have given MMA a proper go.
     
  20. Mr. Mackey

    Mr. Mackey Green Belt

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    Was going to bring this exact point up......most of the top fighters in the UFC right now have a wrestling base....so I strongly disagree with TS
     
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