Wow... Trump calls out Obama in a HUGE way

Obviously it's not easy to become a billionaire. There are only 2000 of them in the world today. I was only responding to that ridiculous meme that Trump hasn't succeeded in anything. But God forbid he succeed in his bid for the White House. That is a terrifying thought.
 
He failed his way to a cool few billion, and two primary wins. More than any of the other shrubs in the republican field can say.

And Thomas Edison failed what like 300 times to make a working, George Washington lost pretty much every battle besides 3 or 4, Lincoln lost his first Senatorial bid, US Grant also lost many more battles than he won, FDR's new deal policies all failed in lifting us out of the depression, Steve jobs got fired from his own company, etc. Pretty much every American Hero failed his entire life until they got lucky.

Also the vast majority of these Trump "failures" on your list are just companies Trump sold his name to for marketing rights. An example of something that were actually bad decisions he made himself would be his Atlantic City casino and the airline.

I don't see how the bankruptcies matter. Chrysler and GM went bankrupt just 7 years ago and they are making record profits today. Sometimes a company needs to go through a bankruptcy to turn its around.

1- He was born a multi-millionaire so the billions don't really say much about his business acumen.

2- Are you saying that if Trump fails a few more times that he's bound to finally do something right?

3- Because filing bankruptcy on the US debt isn't an option.
 
I'm assuming daddy's wealth was split between the siblings. If it's so easy to turn a large inheritance into the kind of wealth he has, why didn't the other 4 do it? My question was very much on topic.
By his own admission, he had 200 million from his dad in 1982. That's the amount he had even with your 4 way split theory.

And people weren't buying Index funds in the 1980s. In fact, I remember when QQQ came about in the late 90s. That's the first time you could buy the NASDAQ as an index.
A diversified portfolio comprised of the S&P 500 companies would have achieved similar results. First index fund became available in 1989 as IPS to select investors and fully fledged SPDR was available to public in 1993. The fact that Trump's net worth is half of what it could be had he just let his inherited money sit tells you all that needs to be known about his business acumen.
 
Obviously it's not easy to become a billionaire. There are only 2000 of them in the world today. I was only responding to that ridiculous meme that Trump hasn't succeeded in anything. But God forbid he succeed in his bid for the White House. That is a terrifying thought.
Do you know how much is 200 million in 1986 terms? It's worth roughly 500 million to 1 billion in terms of purchasing power today depending on estimates. He was born into wealth, and you make it sound like he worked his way up there. He had his dad's real estate empire and connections. Even if he let the New York properties he inherited sit, he'd probably can sell them for more than a billion today.
 
How do you people think Trump would fare in this world if he was born to a regular middle of the road, middle class family?

Do people think he'd be a millionaire today or even a billionaire?

I'd say he wouldn't be either. If anything maybe millionaire, which is still very successful but he would be nowhere near he is today of it wasn't for his father and his inheritance.
 
I'm assuming daddy's wealth was split between the siblings. If it's so easy to turn a large inheritance into the kind of wealth he has, why didn't the other 4 do it? My question was very much on topic.
Because not all of them went into business? Is it that hard to figure out? Off the top of my head, one of them is a circuit court judge and another died of alcoholism. Donald was the only one that took on his father's business empire. Think before you nuthug him.

And people weren't buying Index funds in the 1980s. In fact, I remember when QQQ came about in the late 90s. That's the first time you could buy the NASDAQ as an index.
You're obviously wrong. Look up Index Participation Shares and Standard & Poor's Depository Receipts.
 
Lol. Ok. I think you've missed my point about his siblings not doing anything with their wealth. I assume that you have money invested in index funds apart from tiur 401(k)?
 
How do you people think Trump would fare in this world if he was born to a regular middle of the road, middle class family?

Do people think he'd be a millionaire today or even a billionaire?

I'd say he wouldn't be either. If anything maybe millionaire, which is still very successful but he would be nowhere near he is today of it wasn't for his father and his inheritance.
That's the part people easily overlook. It's much easier to get from rich to wealthy than going from middle class to rich. Trump on the other hand, was born wealthy and his record is average at best.
 
Lol. Ok. I think you've missed my point about his siblings not doing anything with their wealth. I assume that you have money invested in index funds apart from tiur 401(k)?
Trump himself inherited his father's business, the biggest chunk of Fred Trump's wealth. He admitted it himself in his book Art of the Deal. How is that not getting through your head? Are you being argumentative just for the sake of argument?
 
Wow any response from Barry yet? My head is like a nickel plated bama.
 
Because not all of them went into business? Is it that hard to figure out? Off the top of my head, one of them is a circuit court judge and another died of alcoholism. Donald was the only one that took on his father's business empire. Think before you nuthug him.


You're obviously wrong. Look up Index Participation Shares and Standard & Poor's Depository Receipts.
LOL at your googling skills. You went from not understanding how having siblings had anything to do with the argument to knowing he had a circuit court judge sister and an alcoholic brother? It's quite evident that you take an argument and Google it in order formulate a defense. In your earlier post you admitted that you couldn't buy an index in the 80s and now you're taking the opposite position.
 
obama is simply a lowlife
 
LOL at your googling skills. You went from not understanding how having siblings had anything to do with the argument to knowing he had a circuit court judge sister and an alcoholic brother? It's quite evident that you take an argument and Google it in order formulate a defense. In your earlier post you admitted that you couldn't buy an index in the 80s and now you're taking the opposite position.
Donald Trump borrowed money from his dad in the late 1970's to start a business, then inherited his father's empire altogether in the 1980's. He took the lion's share of his father's wealth. That's 200 million in 1982, with purchasing power of 500 to 1 billion today. His wealth had not kept pace with the growth of S&P 500 Index even with all his "deals", thus he's not that great of a businessman.

Certainly in 1982 index fund was not available, but it appeared as IPS in 1989. Last time I checked, 1989 is still considered 1980's, unless you can't count the year properly. There was nothing preventing him from investing in diversified portfolio in the S&P 500 index back in 1982 either, doing so would allow him to be worth twice as much as today.

You're either not very good at this or being dishonest, maybe both.
 
Donald Trump borrowed money from his dad in the late 1970's to start a business, then inherited his father's empire altogether in the 1980's. He took the lion's share of his father's wealth. That's 200 million in 1982, with purchasing power of 500 to 1 billion today. His wealth had not kept pace with the growth of S&P 500 Index even with all his "deals", thus he's not that great of a businessman.

Certainly in 1982 index fund was not available, but it appeared as IPS in 1989. Last time I checked, 1989 is still considered 1980's, unless you can't count the year properly. There was nothing preventing him from investing in diversified portfolio in the S&P 500 index back in 1982 either, doing so would allow him to be worth twice as much as today.

You're either not very good at this or being dishonest, maybe both.
Are you investing in index funds? What is your investment strategy?
 
Are you investing in index funds? What is your investment strategy?
Yes, I have money in three different index funds. One being S&P 500 Index, one healthcare and the other defence. On top of that, my RRSP (Canadian version of 401K) is kept in a consumer staples heavy equity funds. I'm a buy and hold guy.
 
Yes, I have money in three different index funds. One being S&P 500 Index, one healthcare and the other defence. On top of that, my RRSP (Canadian version of 401K) is kept in a consumer staples heavy equity funds. I'm a buy and hold guy.
If true, at least you're not being a hypocrite. But to suggest trump should've had the foresight to invest all of his money in an index fund back in the 80s is a little bit silly if index fund investing wasn't anything back then. As I said initially, it's Monday morning quarterbacking.
 
Not only that but how boring to throw your money into fund instead of risking it all by taking on challenges the way he did. The criticism is kind of gay.
 
If true, at least you're not being a hypocrite. But to suggest trump should've had the foresight to invest all of his money in an index fund back in the 80s is a little bit silly if index fund investing wasn't anything back then. As I said initially, it's Monday morning quarterbacking.
The S&P 500 and DOW both existed for decades, and Trump could have easily purchase shares in companies being offered. You are aware that people were advised to have a diversified portfolio even before index funds arrived right? It's common sense. The fact that Trump's wealth is only half of what passive investment in S&P 500 could have been doesn't do him much credit.

Not only that but how boring to throw your money into fund instead of risking it all by taking on challenges the way he did. The criticism is kind of gay.
Putting everything in one basket is the most moronic thing you can do with your money, and good chance to piss it all away. The first thing any competent financial adviser and stockbroker will tell you is to diversify your investment sources.
 
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