.... it hurts to read stories like this.
As was said above, innocent until proven guilty is a legal standard governing a criminal trial. It has no application to facts that are observed and reported to the public. With a video camera, there can't be any serious doubt here.
I agree if there is hard evidence so be it, judge / punish accordingly all I'm saying is that we don't know facts just what was written in article which could be correct, could not be, but all that will be addressed. I am not an advocate for them or rape trust me on that, but I am an advocate for not quickly judging the situation without any hard evidence / based on an article. If there is video / evidence great lets move on and punish accordingly!!!!
I am very surprised that Lloyd Irvin did not comment this in any way in public. Time for some damage control...
:uts on Flame Suit:: They are innocent until proven guilty. I know rape is always a touchy subject but I've known Matt since I started bjj and this is really not like him. I say until both sides of the story come and they had their day in courst than no one should pass judgement. I don't remember if anyone remembers a few years ago the incident that happened in Long Island http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/17/hofstra-gang-rape-hoax-st_n_289774.html . One side of the story isn't always the whole story. Their side Her side and the truth. Also as far as a video tape goes I believe that is up to interpretation unless there is sound which I don't believe there is since she said that he said those remarks. At the end of the day my prayers go out to the alleged victim and the two guys in this unfortunate incident.
Until the whole story comes out in legal form ie court / and everyone has testified. Your choice to go around tentatively concluding based on news articles. Who cares if they were Lloyd students are not rape is evil period. To associate rape based on your affiliation that is a stretch to far of any means, that's like saying all rapists who are from Brazil, so all Brazilians are evil. But nice troll comment though, really helps no one.
No he is not realted to Jordon.
BTW if this becomes about Lloyd Irvin my head just might explode!
Do you hold every news article that you read to this standard, refusing to believe it or even discuss it until you've seen that actually source evidence for it?
.... it hurts to read stories like this.
As was said above, innocent until proven guilty is a legal standard governing a criminal trial. It has no application to facts that are observed and reported to the public. With a video camera, there can't be any serious doubt here.