Would Sugar Robinson be considered a boring fighter today?

eternaldarkness said:
boxing is punching. offensively robinson was worlds better that floyd and thats not just his one shot power. there is not a single punch you could say floyd threw better than robinson. i do think floyd had a superior defence but the art of war (and boxing) favours offence, therefore i would have to strongly favour robinson.
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Watching Floyds results, I'm not so sure. Maybe he's just too fast for Robinson.
 
aries said:
Would Robinson be considered a boring fighter today? Well he'd always be less boring than Mayweather because he has power. And Mayweather didn't do so bad for a fighter often labelled as boring. So no I think Robinson would do fine today.
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I actually think Floyds style is flashier.
 
Floyd perfected point fighting, Robinson even when at MW, which is most of the footage we have, went after his opponents, a full repertoire of punches on display.
 
cocksure said:
Floyd perfected point fighting, Robinson even when at MW, which is most of the footage we have, went after his opponents, a full repertoire of punches on display.
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Yes. He was the hole package, instead of specialized fighter with limitations. Crazy thing is he didn't even like fighting. It was just his calling.
 
spacetime said:
I actually think Floyds style is flashier.
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He doesn't really get the knock outs though. Deontay Wilder can go 11 rounds and lose every single one of the them but then he gets the KO and all is forgiven.
 
aries said:
He doesn't really get the knock outs though. Deontay Wilder can go 11 rounds and lose every single one of the them but then he gets the KO and all is forgiven.
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No he doesn't but he's explosive in and out, which is more pleasing to the eye than an Ali or SRR who dances and jabs the majority of the time.

Neither fighter is particularly entertaining but Floyd if I have to pick one
 
spacetime said:
No he doesn't but he's explosive in and out, which is more pleasing to the eye than an Ali or SRR who dances and jabs the majority of the time.

Neither fighter is particularly entertaining but Floyd if I have to pick one
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Agree to disagree, I like watching Floyd but I'm always ready for a KO so I'm gonna go with SRR.
 
aries said:
Agree to disagree, I like watching Floyd but I'm always ready for a KO so I'm gonna go with SRR.
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In one sense it's frustrating to watch Floyd because he even though he taggs his opponents a lot, he almost never hurts them. It's like watching point boxing, or maybe amateur boxing. I don't know what to label it as
 
spacetime said:
In one sense it's frustrating to watch Floyd because he even though he taggs his opponents a lot, he almost never hurts them. It's like watching point boxing, or maybe amateur boxing. I don't know what to label it as
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I know what you mean, I think a lot of that is to do with him fighting at higher weights. He just doesn't have the power to get it done against bigger guys.
 
ray threw and took more punches as did most fighters back then did, that would not be considered boring in any era, stupid maybe, but not boring. I believe ray actually took more hits than he had to just to put on a show, it's impossible to see the dropping his hands and letting lamotta tee-off as a strategy of some kind, an early version of rope a dope, sure, but also for the crowd. I guess the logic was, he had an alltime chin, why not use it? Dumb yes but I do not think that a greatest fighter of anything should have been taking that many punches, he could have avoided a lot of it, i'm sure.
 
as far as weight/power, it's hard to say really. Most of the time, bombers like Hearns or killers like Duran, almost always have a harder time hurting men as they go up in weight. Roy Jones was lethal as a middleweight and although he took out a lot of lightheavies, he had to work most of the time to do it. But, it's not impossible for a smaller man to hurt a larger man, same as any other punch, if a guy catches you right, you'll go. I've seen tommy hearns stagger the iron chinned Ali in sparring, doesn't mean much because ali was 40, fat and old but it was done. Ali was also badly hurt by bob Foster in their fight. More often than not though, the elite in higher classes can take more punishment than the elite in a lower class, pfp. I still think Alexis Arguello should have been able to at least drop Aaron Pryor but he never did, Aaron was dropped by Cervantes, Kameda and Johnson, none of whom I would think had comparable power to Alexis. Sometimes it's just how you catch a guy, when you catch a guy and where.
 
mozfonky said:
as far as weight/power, it's hard to say really. Most of the time, bombers like Hearns or killers like Duran, almost always have a harder time hurting men as they go up in weight. Roy Jones was lethal as a middleweight and although he took out a lot of lightheavies, he had to work most of the time to do it. But, it's not impossible for a smaller man to hurt a larger man, same as any other punch, if a guy catches you right, you'll go. I've seen tommy hearns stagger the iron chinned Ali in sparring, doesn't mean much because ali was 40, fat and old but it was done. Ali was also badly hurt by bob Foster in their fight. More often than not though, the elite in higher classes can take more punishment than the elite in a lower class, pfp. I still think Alexis Arguello should have been able to at least drop Aaron Pryor but he never did, Aaron was dropped by Cervantes, Kameda and Johnson, none of whom I would think had comparable power to Alexis. Sometimes it's just how you catch a guy, when you catch a guy and where.
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I think Cervantes had just as much power as arguello he just wasn't as good a setting his shots up.
 
spacetime said:
In one sense it's frustrating to watch Floyd because he even though he taggs his opponents a lot, he almost never hurts them. It's like watching point boxing, or maybe amateur boxing. I don't know what to label it as
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Floyd's style would cause him to lose decisions in amateurs

Ammys is more about effective offense....I've never really even seen a defensive specialist in amateurs, you develop those layers on the onion later as a young pro generally

Vast majority of amateur bouts you'll see are just basically two guys working on fundamentals
 
aries said:
Floyd lost 7 times as an amateur. He wasn't unbeatable. Well not back then.
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I meant with team usa

To be honest, i don't know much of anything outside of his Olympic run as far as ammys go.

I think amateur can be misleading as far as your future pro capability. There have also been some huge busts
 
The gloves would make Floyds style more difficult to implement, right? They look much smaller and even dark red/brownish, which would make it easier for the aggressor to punch through guards and also harder for the defender to see shots coming with peripheral vision
 
Noraaq said:
The gloves would make Floyds style more difficult to implement, right? They look much smaller and even dark red/brownish, which would make it easier for the aggressor to punch through guards and also harder for the defender to see shots coming with peripheral vision
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They were also a lot less protective than the gloves Mayweather liked to use so his hands would have got fucked up real fast too.
 
SRR prime v RJJ prime is my all time dream fight
 
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