Would Conor have more clout in your eyes if...

[jediMSTR_tom]

He "let" Khabib break his jaw in the cage?

Each submission scenario has multiple factors that dictate whether or not a fighter taps.

Some are:

technical knowledge of submission defense, type of submission being applied, which limb or consciousness is at question, mental and physical levels, and grit, just to name a few.

I see many posts/threads throwing flack at Conor for tapping "early" to Khabib's neck crank.

Would you have gained more respect for Conor if he did not tap (intentionally) and Khabib broke/dislocated his jaw to end the fight?

Note: this is not wether or not you think that would be a good idea, just if YOU PERSONALLY would have gained more respect for him as a mixed martial artist.

 

[Barbas619]

He would’ve gained a tad more respect had he actually attempted to fight it, and not just roll over and die.

 

[NinjaSkillZ]

Enough of these shit threads already!!!!!!

 

[DeeDubb]

I have no problem with people tapping to save themselves from injury. I gain no respect for someone who lets their arm get broken or lets themselves go unconscious.

 

[jediMSTR_tom]

Enough of these shit threads already!!!!!!

How is this a shit thread?

I am asking a legitimate question to survey the MMA fan base. There are many people who hold in high regard those who take the other path besides submitting. I want to know Sherdog's opinion.

You made a shit post.

 

[jediMSTR_tom]

I have no problem with people tapping to save themselves from injury. I gain no respect for someone who lets their arm get broken or lets themselves go unconscious.

I do not look poorly on those who do tap either.

However, I personally do hold in high regard some instances where fighters decided to "take it there", e.g. Holly Holm going out cold, or Big Nog having his shoulder broken.

 

[KevinLee]

He "let" Khabib break his jaw in the cage?

Each submission scenario has multiple factors that dictate whether or not of a fighter taps.

Some are:

technical knowledge of submission defense, type of submission being applied, which limb or consciousness is at question, mental and physical levels, and grit, just to name a few.

I see many posts/threads throwing flack at Conor for tapping "early" to Khabib's neck crank.

Would you have gained more respect for Conor if he did not tap (intentionally) and Khabib broke/dislocated his jaw to end the fight?

Note: this is not wether or not you think that would be a good idea, just if YOU PERSONALLY would have gained more respect for him as a mixed martial artist.

If he wasnt such a loud mouth douche bag

 

[jediMSTR_tom]

He would’ve gained a tad more respect had he actually attempted to fight it, and not just roll over and die.

That is the dynamic I am pondering. Had he "fought it" to injury, would that injury in it self answer the criticism many have of Conor lacking a warrior spirit???

Though I am sure with Sherdog, it would just mean more shit talking and memes.

 

[NinjaSkillZ]

We all know who this guy is. There is no point in asking this because he quits at first sign of adversity . This fucker probably ran a marathon in Diaz 2 fight

How is this a shit thread?

I am asking a legitimate question to survey the MMA fan base. There are many people who hold in high regard those who take the other path besides submitting. I want to know Sherdog's opinion.

You made a shit post.

 

[Killhippies]

No, not tapping when you know you are done just makes you a idiot and ensures you have a shorter career.

Every pro fighter at some point has been submitted, either in a pro fight or in the gym. There is no shame in tapping.

 

[Calipwnia]

Conor needed to knock Khabib on his ass a couple times to get more clout.

His grappling defense was good for Conor but he was never close to winning the fight.

 

[It Just Is]

I think the issue surrounds the notion that Conor did not fight the submission. If Conor struggled to get Khabib to let go, and he tapped, that would have mulled over better. No one is dense enough to think fighters should tough out to no avail.

Some holds are so quick and tight that fighters tap instantly or they go out of something breaks. I think Conor had at least 10-20 more seconds in him to try and pry. But hey, I don't know what Conor was thinking or how hard that crank was. I've seen other fighters fight a little harder to get out of that, that's all.

 

[green giant]

I have no problem with people tapping to save themselves from injury. I gain no respect for someone who lets their arm get broken or lets themselves go unconscious.

Well I agree to an extent. If that person is trying hard not to get choked or subbed but happens to get a limb broke in the process you gotta respect that. If they just let someone choke them out or break their arm without trying to escape then yeah no respect gained.

 

[LockardTheGOAT]

He'd have more clout to me if he:

-Actually defended a title
-Didn't admit he had no interest in fighting top fighters in his division even when it made sense to, I.E. He said before UFC 229 that he had no interest in giving Tony Ferguson a title shot after winning it from Khabib, even if Tony beat Pettis and improved his streak to 11 wins in a row.

Not letting someone fracture one of your bones is one of the least things I'd hold against him. Why would he let someone seriously injure him and thus prolong the next time he's gonna be able to fight again?

 

[FightGuyOpenMind]

The fight was hardly competitive. Why get beat, and crippled as well?

I would have thought it was dumb. Nothing short of a robbery was going to win him that fight. Take the L, and regroup.

 

[jediMSTR_tom]

No, not tapping when you know you are done just makes you a idiot and ensures you have a shorter career.

Every pro fighter at some point has been submitted, either professionally or in the gym. There is no shame in tapping.

I agree, however there is a fan base that has decided that Conor is "an early tapper w/ no grit" (myself included).

There is a quality of grit/warrior spirit that Frankie Edgar and Robert Whittaker have that I admire. And Conor lacks.

I believe with that neck crank, Conor had no physical capacity to defend it. It was, so to say, "locked in".

Had he let it break though, I would have thought: "damn, I didn't think he would take it that far."

 

[caliboi74lv]

didn't matter to me. I was happy Conor took the challenge and the fight went how I wanted. Yeah, if he had tried a little to fight off the sub, ok, I would give him more respect, but not tapping and risking injury makes you stupid. I'd be a tapping machine in there too.He has tapped rather quickly in his sub loses. As much as I don't care for Conor, I really don't wanna see him injured badly, or any other fighter for that matter. He got beat, plain and simple. Want him to fight again but won't root for him.

 

[Killhippies]

I agree, however there is a fan base that has decided that Conor is "an early tapper w/ no grit" (myself included).

There is a quality of grit/warrior spirit that Frankie Edgar and Robert Whittaker have that I admire. And Conor lacks.

I believe with that neck crank, Conor had no physical capacity to defend it. It was, so to say, "locked in".

Had he let it break though, I would have thought: "damn, I didn't think he would take it that far."

Honestly, I think any fighter shouldn't give any fucks what the fans think come fight time. A broken jaw would have ensured he would not be getting any title shot anytime soon and possibly permanent damage in his ability to take punches. He may get a perception from fans that he was "tough" but in reality he only beat by the more skilled fighter that shortened his career. In the long run, his image by the fans would be one of pity because he was someone who has been in too many wars taken from damage like so many fighters, not something to be proud of.

 

[HHJ]

Honestly,i dont really blame him for tapping,but this fight went exactly as khabib said it would. He was gonna make conor tired,and conor was gonna quit. We saw Iaquinta fight from that position with every ounce of his being. That was the fight before this one. Conor has talked himself into being this demigod. His fans expect more than what he gave,but hes never really gonna change at this point.

 

[Barbas619]

That is the dynamic I am pondering. Had he "fought it" to injury, would that injury in it self answer the criticism many have of Conor lacking a warrior spirit???

Though I am sure with Sherdog, it would just mean more shit talking and memes.

Who’s saying fight it to injury? At least try and push his elbow up, like you would for a RNC. At least for a split second to see if it’ll relieve the pressure!

He didn’t try ANYTHING. NOTHING.