Would champion Bisping be an underdog against top welterweights?

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I was really happy to eat crow and see Bisping as the middleweight champion. I think it's a very amazing accomplishment by a guy in the twilight of his career who looked destined to be remembered as a gatekeeper.

I do feel, however, that Bisping is the weakest MW champion since maybe Rich Franklin or the guy before him. Most people would agree he is the underdog against top MWs, including a rematch vs Rockhold. How about the top 5 welterweights (ufc rankings) in a 5 round middleweight championship fight? Demian Maia, Tyron Woodley, Stephen Thompson, Rory MacDonald, Robbie Lawler.

I think Wonderboy, Maia and Robbie Lawler would be favorites. Wonderboy particularly would give Bisping hell with quite superior stand up. Wondering what sherdog thinks.

thread is maybe shit so here's some Paige
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Rich Franklin wasn't a bad champ, he defended his belt twice and only lost it against Anderson Silva in his prime.
 
Rich Franklin wasn't a bad champ, he defended his belt twice and only lost it against Anderson Silva in his prime. I agree that Bisping will be a underdog against anyone in the top 5. But you also seem a little confused, because the fighters you mentioned are all 170 pounders not 185.
yes, I'm asking if top welterweights moved up to fight bisping, who would sherdoggers favour.
 
Robbie Lawler could KO him

GSP would beat bisping

Rory would beat bisping

Condit would beat bisping

Wonderboy would beat Bisping
 
Prime bones vs prime big nog is more intriguing
 
No I think not. Wonderboy would be his toughest fight from a WW imo.
 
lawler, mcdonald and wonderboy would be favorites against bisping for me
 
No, I think he would be the favorite against top WW. He is considerable bigger than those guys and cardio wouldn't be an issue. He also has very good TDD at MW which would be even better against a WW that just moved up to MW.

Outside of Lawyer KOing him, I see him winning all those fights at this point in time.
 
Lol at the Wonderboy wagon

Bisping boxes his ears off
 
pathetic thread, and subtle troll thread. Franklin wasn't a weak champ he was the best.. for a while. ts is clearly a uneducated teen.
 
pathetic thread, and subtle troll thread. Franklin wasn't a weak champ he was the best.. for a while. ts is clearly a uneducated teen.
not trolling, not a teen. I simply didn't remember who was champion before franklin. maybe Bisping is the weakest MW champion ever as far as my memory goes... can't argue with thread being pathetic though.
 
Lol no they would have no chance you don't seem to understand the size difference here, the 170 guys are there because they are way to small for MW. Bisping would destroy all of them.
 
They are WW's. They would all probably lose. Size matters.
Maia fought MW. Wonderboy has kicks for jabs and I think he is pretty big for ww. I think Lawler fought MW too, I remember he fought Tanner once. But long time ago.
 
Maia fought MW. Wonderboy has kicks for jabs and I think he is pretty big for ww. I think Lawler fought MW too, I remember he fought Tanner once. But long time ago.
He did, he lost to Tim Kennedy.

Wonderboy would get destroyed by Bisping wrestling.
 
Of course Bisping would be favourite against any WW, there is no substitute for size, even though most WW would have far better skill/talent then the tuff English man, the only one that could match his heart would be Robbie.
 
If they thought they could compete with top MWs, then they wouldn't fight at WW. It's a fight so anything COULD happen, but I'd favor Bisping over all of them. Robbie wasn't exactly an elite MW, and he's the champ, I think if needed Bisping could out grabble the dangerous strikers and and out strike the dangerous grabblers.
 
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