Would boxer Chris Algieri beat McGregor with ease....

DeJulez said:
Didn't the last UFC prelim do just about the same as PBC on ESPN at 1.5m viewers?

Has any UFC this year done 4.2m viewers like PBC on NBC?
The answer is no.


If you are a dominant UFC champion between 140-154 you pretty much don't exist. (Jose "180k ppv buys" Aldo)



Conor never wrestled and was never as good as Chris in anything.
Conor only wins if he can get a submission locked in. If not Algieri KOs him.


Bad ass at A, B, C.....being a world class boxer doesn't mean shit....having a wrestling background means nothing.........
Makes sense, I mean if I was a Conor fan I would believe the same thing, being that he isn't world class in shit, hes not a badass at A, B, or C, and he has no grappling background.
Apparently its better to be off the streets then to actually be accomplished in something, if you want to make it in the UFC.



PBC on NBC did 4.2m viewers.
Whats your answer to that? UFC on FOX 1?

Most watched combat sporting event in FOXs history?
Mike Tyson vs Buster Douglas, 43m viewers.

UFC will never touch the magnitude of boxing.
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No. You don't train so you wouldn't understand. It's possible that Algieri picked up some very bad habits from being such a stud in so many disciplines. Ever think of that one, slick? Old habits die hard. According to your logic it's impossible for an Olympian or champion in "professional" anything to be bested by anything less. Go watch Jones vs. Cormier and see who got the better of the wrestling.

What a genius.
 
In terms of credentials Algieri would murder Conor without breaking a sweat, but I would need to wait and hear if Algieri has studied the way gibbons move before making a decision.
 
That's impressive, also Algieri has a bachelors degree in healthcare science and a Masters degree as well. In the stand-up he's clearly better than McGregor, Algieri could be a contender or champion with enough cross-training. He's already got the background, some improvements and he'd do great possibly.
 
All Chris would need to do is avoid is the body shots, anyone thinking otherwise is high on Mc one way or another/others. He'd definitely out strike Conor, and make it look easy at least after the 1st if it goes past. He'd also probably out grapple Conor, due to the hardcore lacking of skill/efficiency there Conor needs to work on. I doubt if this fight somehow happened it'd last anywhere aside from open stand up.
 
Macalpinerules said:
He would definitely need a few fights under his belt to get acclimated. But he certainly is one of the few boxers that has the type of background that would make for a successful transition. And if the fight remained standing he would definitely beat Mcgregor
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Boxing $$$ says...he won't.
 
Max Halloway has a very solid ground game. Look at what he did to Cub Swanson. Now watch how Conor controlled Max on the ground and with a torn ACL. Don't give me this Chris bullshit. Conor could take him down easily and what happens when he starts elbowing him with ground and pound? Nevermind submissions. Look at how Conor reversed Brandao and threw him to the ground.

Boxing fans have a lot of delusions. James Toney was supposed to throw an uppercut to kill Couture if he even dared a takedown. Toney was going to be the first to get a KO off of his back with the small gloves. Boxing fans living on Sesame Street. What often shocks boxers is how hard it is to defend with the smaller gloves. Watch Kimbo Slice vs. Ray Mercer.

Boxing fans knock Conor as having only one submission win in MMA. How many does Chris have? How many submission attempts has Chris ever defended against? He probably couldn't fight his way out of a weak headlock. If there is anyone who Conor can submit easily it's Chris. It's a gift on a silver platter.

Wrestling ruins your punching power too. Ask David Haye who admitted this while training MMA. He confessed that it's grueling.
 
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DeJulez said:
PBC on NBC did 4.2m viewers.
Whats your answer to that? UFC on FOX 1?
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Again, you're talking about the peak. The event averaged 3.4 million. And UFC on FOX 1 would make more sense to compare since it was the PBC debut show.

DeJulez said:
Most watched combat sporting event in FOXs history?
Mike Tyson vs Buster Douglas, 43m viewers.

UFC will never touch the magnitude of boxing.
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Lol or you could turn this conversation into a UFC vs. boxing in 1990 thread.
 
Masterful said:
Max Halloway has a very solid ground game. Look at what he did to Cub Swanson. Now watch how Conor controlled Max on the ground and with a torn ACL. Don't give me this Chris bullshit. Conor could take him down easily and what happens when he starts elbowing him with ground and pound? Nevermind submissions. Look at how Conor reversed Brandao and threw him to the ground.

Boxing fans have a lot of delusions. James Toney was supposed to throw an uppercut to kill Couture if he even dared a takedown. Toney was going to be the first to get a KO off of his back with the small gloves. Boxing fans living on Sesame Street.
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Ray Mercer at 48yrs old KOd the #8th ranked HW in mma at the time with 1 punch.

James Toney is a terrible example.
The man had 70-80 bouts under his belt, has been fighting since the 80s, and was so over the hill and damaged that you could barely understand him.
Let alone the man was 77lbs over his prime fighting weight.
77lbs. He weighed 237lbs, AFTER cutting weight. His pro debut was at 160lbs.
Put a fat brain damaged counter puncher in the cage and watch Dana pull off the biggest swindle in combat sports.
Made u a believer in the bullshit.



fightdonttweet said:
Again, you're talking about the peak. The event averaged 3.4 million. And UFC on FOX 1 would make more sense to compare since it was the PBC debut show.



Lol or you could turn this conversation into a UFC vs. boxing in 1990 thread.
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UFC on FOX was the debut of a new sport to the masses. PBC was bringing boxing back on network tv.
Ppl tuned into UFC on FOX to see what it was, and looking at the numbers most didnt become fans.
Everyone on this planet knows what boxing is.
So PBC wasnt a new thing at all.
 
DeJulez said:
Ray Mercer at 48yrs old KOd the #8th ranked HW in mma at the time with 1 punch.

James Toney is a terrible example.
The man had 70-80 bouts under his belt, has been fighting since the 80s, and was so over the hill and damaged that you could barely understand him.
Let alone the man was 77lbs over his prime fighting weight.
77lbs. He weighed 237lbs, AFTER cutting weight. His pro debut was at 160lbs.
Put a fat brain damaged counter puncher in the cage and watch Dana pull off the biggest swindle in combat sports.
Made u a believer in the bullshit.





UFC on FOX was the debut of a new sport to the masses. PBC was bringing boxing back on network tv.
Ppl tuned into UFC on FOX to see what it was, and looking at the numbers most didnt become fans.
Everyone on this planet knows what boxing is.
So PBC wasnt a new thing at all.
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all solid points

the ray mercer ko is a much bigger deal than the corpse of James Toney getting submitted
 
Interesting, he seems like he's got the experience to make a transition to MMA and be very successful but it wouldn't make sense there is more money in boxing at the top and he's one of the best.
 
DeJulez said:
UFC on FOX was the debut of a new sport to the masses. PBC was bringing boxing back on network tv.
Ppl tuned into UFC on FOX to see what it was, and looking at the numbers most didnt become fans.
Everyone on this planet knows what boxing is.
So PBC wasnt a new thing at all.
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New sport? Troll is obvious.

Apparently most people who watched PBC on NBC didn't become fans either because the last two events did 1.41 and 2.38.
 
did not know this , he could go real far in mma if he wanted i think .... but the money seem better in boxing for him...
 
He does not clearly have better striking in an MMA setting.

Being a better "gloved" striker means just that, he is a better gloved striker.

Yes, Im aware 4oz gloves are used by MMA fighters but their striking style is much closer to street fighting style striking. The gloves protect the knuckles not much mroe and add a bit of padding so cuts dont happen as fast from punches being landed.

But fighters cant throw a variety of strikes and punches in ways you cannot with a boxing style glove. I thought the concept of trapping was stupid until I began training Krav Maga and how trapping really works.

So if it was so easy to transition why have only Crocop and Hunt been able to transition from K-1 to MMA and have success when Aerts, Sefo, Lebanner and others tried and failed?

Boxers and Kickboxers fight at too much of a pace and their rhythm and timing is very different from MMA style striking.

Boxers especially stand close as hell to each other a lot of time just to throw punches when MMA fighters throw punches from farther out due to the takedown threat.

Boxers and Kickboxers alike cannot throw combinations like they can in their sports. A grappler isnt just going to sit there and let you combo them unless they are already hurt, they will try to clinch, double leg or single leg you.

And with actual Muay Thai fighters at least they can fight in the clinch. Boxers and Kickboxers cant fight in a clinch because they arent allowed to. Kind of hard to be good at something banned in your sport.
 
He has a great BASE. But that's different from putting it all together and using it in the cage. With a lot of training and actual MMA fights he probably has a higher potential than most MMA fighters - but would need time and training to do it.
 
opie said:
all solid points

the ray mercer ko is a much bigger deal than the corpse of James Toney getting submitted
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That can happen any time you have a specialist with an incredible advantage in one area - particularly in the heavyweight division. The odds are always against it but it can always happen - see Aoki's loss to that kickboxer as another example. Or if you brought in a BJJ champion who never did much MMA (Marcelo Garcia - yeah he did 1 fight) - there would always be a chance that he could sub the current UFC champion (Robbie Lawler in that division). Odds wouldn't be good but it might happen 1 time out of 20 or something
 
Cant think of one thing McGregor could do to Algieri.
 
Algieri seems to have the good credentials to make the transition to mma. The biggest factor would be how much does he currently train grappling. This is important because it would effect how long it takes him to get acclimated to the transitions of mma.
 
Someone88 said:
That's impressive, also Algieri has a bachelors degree in healthcare science and a Masters degree as well. In the stand-up he's clearly better than McGregor, Algieri could be a contender or champion with enough cross-training. He's already got the background, some improvements and he'd do great possibly.
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Algieri sounds like a poor man's Klitschko here (not weight class-wise obviously)...does he play chess though?
 
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