Woodley Was a College All American Wrestler

Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by Zomax, Aug 13, 2016.

  1. Zomax

    Zomax Gotch Catch Wrestling

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2016
    Messages:
    432
    Likes Received:
    421
    Woodley wrestled NCAA Div. 1 for Missouri back in the mid 2000s. He was an All American twice. He won most of his amateur MMA fights and his pro fights early in career by way of submission. Then, he found his hands and became more of a striker. If we have learned anything over the years, if a top level wrestler takes a striker with little wrestling experience to the ground, there is a high probability the wrestler will control the fight and often can inflict some serious damage. While Sonnen lost to Silva, he was a huge underdog but was still able to beat-up Silva on the ground. Weidman also damaged Silva that way. Short notice Mendez had Conner begging the ref to stand them up. I'm not really a fan of either Woodley or Wonderboy. I just think if Woodley takes it to the ground early and as often as he can, its likely that he wins the fight.
     
    Black Paladin and Uptown Swinger like this.
  2. sirmorbach

    sirmorbach These violent delights have violent ends

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2016
    Messages:
    7,064
    Likes Received:
    46,519
    Location:
    Brazil
    Wonderboy's got dat movement.
     
    rjmbrd and ARONAbeetFEDOR like this.
  3. Epicness

    Epicness Black Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2011
    Messages:
    5,646
    Likes Received:
    15,076
    Pretty sure Hendricks and Ellenberger were too...
     
  4. Threetrees

    Threetrees Donald Trump is a Hoe

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2009
    Messages:
    47,194
    Likes Received:
    93,541
    Location:
    Smoke Shop
    I think the biggest issue that Woodley runs into is what guys run into against Lyoto, it's hard to get in on Wonderboy's hips because of his stance and his footwork. I think to win this fight, Woodley is going to have to play an educated and smart boxing game, and rely on leg kicks if he can get Wonderboy on the retret, then get inside and work against the fence (which is where he does his best wrestling anyway).

    I see it going to a close competitive 48-47 type decision where we argue about control vs impact for the umpteenth time, and people wrongly try to justify one guy as the clear victor over the other based on stats. Either that or we see and early Woodley KO or a very late Wonderboy stoppage.
    I'm not convinced by those who cite the Ellenberger and Hendricks fights as justification for picking Wonderboy - Ellenberger looked the same as he has since way back when he lost to Carlos and every fight he's lost since, he landed early and faded hard. And Hendricks is a shell of his former self, I don't know what Hendricks showed up to that fight and I'm not convinced he's still top tier after his health problems and his second loss to Lawler
     
    Vergilius likes this.
  5. ARONAbeetFEDOR

    ARONAbeetFEDOR Blackest Belt

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2011
    Messages:
    5,020
    Likes Received:
    5,158
    Location:
    Whittaker Adesanya Zabit O'Malley Cruz Prime Cain
    Wonderboy probably prefers to fight wrestlers. Have you seen his last 3 fights?
     
  6. Exemplar

    Exemplar Fuligin Belt

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2013
    Messages:
    7,025
    Likes Received:
    9,816
    Distance, timing, and TDD on 2-3 occasions and WB is new champ.
     
    sirmorbach likes this.
  7. The ScorpioN

    The ScorpioN "GET OVER HERE!"

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2007
    Messages:
    20,921
    Likes Received:
    32,256
    Location:
    Netherrealm
    Hendricks was a more accomplished college wrestler.

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    This

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
  8. Sparkie

    Sparkie Black Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2014
    Messages:
    5,594
    Likes Received:
    5,576
    The only way I see Woodley winning this fight is if he is able to take Steven Thompson down and do some real damage from that position
     
  9. Nice and flowy! Arms out wide. ATTA (wonder)BOY, Stephen!
     
  10. The ScorpioN

    The ScorpioN "GET OVER HERE!"

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2007
    Messages:
    20,921
    Likes Received:
    32,256
    Location:
    Netherrealm
    Wonderboy Kenny Florianing Artem.
     
    beefcake180 and Mammothman like this.
  11. Karelinator

    Karelinator Bulgarian pursuittt Platinum Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2010
    Messages:
    19,477
    Likes Received:
    10,717
    Location:
    Beskid niski
    He haven't 'found his hands' as much as he found out that he can't do shit from the top to better fighters, and was consistently managing to gas horribly by doing nothing important in the guard of opponent.

    There was a time, when Woodley was getting called worst L'n'Per out there, and it was frankly hard to disagree, though I tried to like him for his submissions or dismantling of Galvao.

    Surely someone has to remember. :p

    So it's actually fairer to say that he can't really outwrestle top competition in MMA easily, even if mixing it up with striking.[/quote]
     
    beefcake180, Epicness and Sgt Smith like this.
  12. Weidman

    Weidman Still my booooy!

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2014
    Messages:
    7,618
    Likes Received:
    19,208
    Location:
    Long Island, NY
    He will be like Alice in Wonderland after he wakes up from Wonder KO.
     
  13. Teh_Lulz7

    Teh_Lulz7 Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2016
    Messages:
    3,780
    Likes Received:
    8,469
    This is probably the most over-simplified fight breakdown I've ever read. Yes because all wrestlers in D1 can take down every fighter they ever fight.

    Wonderboy is hard to get a hold of, let alone take him down these days. Woodley doesn't like to grind in the clinch either. Just watch his fight with Jake Shields.
     
  14. Vergilius

    Vergilius Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2011
    Messages:
    2,647
    Likes Received:
    6,073
    Thing is, Woodley doesn't like being pushed back. He's not quite as stationary as Hendricks was vs WB, but I could easily see Thompson doing to him what Rory MadDonald did for an entire fight. Also, Woodley's gas tank is a concern. If he can't get WB down early or blow him out with a big punch then what? He's in trouble, that's what.
     
    Flex Plexico likes this.
  15. 12ga.

    12ga. Silver Belt

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2007
    Messages:
    13,032
    Likes Received:
    15,606
    Obviously if Woodley gets him down he's not getting up. Ideal situation for WB is fight as his distance so all take down attempts are telegraphed a mile away and he can stuff them and Ring Woodley bell with his karate point fighting style. I got this fight 70/30 for thompson though. Styles make fights and Thompson is like worst style for him since he wont be there to bang or take down. Then mental factor could play a huge role depending how much he is ducking out of fear or money.
     
  16. Sgt Smith

    Sgt Smith Bassed God

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2010
    Messages:
    18,698
    Likes Received:
    38,672
    Location:
    60°55′N 101°57′E
    Tyron doesn't use his wrestling nearly as much as he used to. But his offensive striking is very good. He's developed a very good kicking game for a guy that comes from a wrestling background. And his ability to close distance in the cage is some of the best in MMA. The one area he struggles on is his defense, especially when moving back or when not having anywhere to move when his back is pinned to the cage.

    To fight Wonderboy, he is going to have to work on circling out and avoid this position. Because Stephen is going to stalk him and put him there. I think Tyron can KO pretty much anyone at WW on the feet if he can connect with a solid shot. But this will be tough against Stephen given that he uses distance so effectively. Going after the TD against Stephen these days is risky because he has really good hips and is great at shaking off the attempts. Not to mention it leaves them open to being countered.

    Fun fight, but it will be tough for Tyron because he's not a rangy fighter taking on a guy who is probably one of the most precise strikers at range. Tyron has a few advantages, but we'll have to see if he can utilize them.
     
    Jedi Judah likes this.
  17. maxi diablo

    maxi diablo Black Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2009
    Messages:
    7,053
    Likes Received:
    9,616
    Isnt that obvious though?
     
  18. Threetrees

    Threetrees Donald Trump is a Hoe

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2009
    Messages:
    47,194
    Likes Received:
    93,541
    Location:
    Smoke Shop
    People used to say the same shit about Chad Mendes for gods sake, fighters improve and get better
    I think the early criticisms of Woodley's lay and pray are fair though - It was his gas tank that failed him, he generally did try to generate effective offense early in fights from top position
    He'd just get tired so quick and take a nap on top of dudes
     
  19. Moezao

    Moezao Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2015
    Messages:
    2,619
    Likes Received:
    2,312
    Wonderboy is a little overrated, everyone wants to love him. Woodley is a bit underrated because he's annoying.

    I'd say it's a 50/50 matchup. Woodley has the power and even though Thompson is not easy to hit he does get tagged some times. I don't think wrestling will play a part here because WB is damn hard to get close to.
     
  20. former-monger

    former-monger Yellow Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2016
    Messages:
    185
    Likes Received:
    122
    Yea i honest don't believe that this is going to be a hard fight wonderboy fought hendricks who can't or doesn't seem to wrestle anymore and Ellenberger drooped wonderboy. He just doing something new he the great white hope but he will lose
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.