Wonderboy is lucky WW has so few MT fighters

Thompson doesent have one stance, he uses 3 different stances depending on the range he is in, all 3 allowing for different attacks. Its actually a super cool system imo, but also one exploitable since you know he wont be punching in one stance and know he wont be kicking in another etc. - anyway you're both right that there's more to it than just styles and a karate guy could beat a MT fighter. But Wonderboy spending his whole pre-MMA career avoiding low kicks, and only 8 total leg kicks being attempted against him in all his UFC fights is the reason i think the first guy to really kick his leg will beat him, just like the first guy that clinched him and took him down beat him
In theory if that were to happen in doubt it would ever effect him again. He learned and grew from that fight with Brown, so I doubt it'd be any different next time around. But that's a big if, because we don't know how good Thompsons ability to check leg kicks is.
 
In theory if that were to happen in doubt it would ever effect him again. He learned and grew from that fight with Brown, so I doubt it'd be any different next time around. But that's a big if, because we don't know how good Thompsons ability to check leg kicks is.
Well we know 6/8 has landed and they all landed clean. The last two were sloppy and thrown out of range by a tired Ellenberger
 
Well we know 6/8 has landed and they all landed clean. The last two were sloppy and thrown out of range by a tired Ellenberger
But it's not like he had time to prepare for them or train/drill them. You really think that if he fought Condit/Cerrone he wouldn't analyze their tape?
 
Cerrone???? hahahahha
Clownboy would get completely destroyed.
He takes one single kick to the midsection from Wonderboy and crumbles.
TKO.
 
The kick only caused the TKO insofar as anything would have. Stepping on it wrong could've forced a stoppage. The kick was nothing special at all.

The takedown (Condit stepping awkardly while defending) did the damage. If you see the actual fight, Rogan does a good job pointing out when Condit gets hurt. The kick was really incidental; it hardly means Woodley is some low kick beast.
 
Condit got hurt because of the takedown. I am surprised how many think it was the kick.

Why did you think it was the kicks? Did you see the fight?

Dominance? MT fighters are a dime a dozen in MMA. It's one of the four basic arts most train - wrestling, boxing, MT, BJJ.

Top karate fighters can beat any style. But I think MT will always be more popular for MMA than other kickboxing styles.
"Top karate fighters can beat any style," Where is the evidence that supports this statement. Many people think Machida was purely a karate guy but he's been training bjj for over 15 years. He also trained muay thai in Thailand. Even if he did use karate as his base, he was never a dominant champ and got popped for PEDS. Wonderboy is the closest thing to a pure karate guy ever to fight for a UFC title. Lets see if he wins the title and defends it a couple of times before suggesting karate as a dominant art in MMA
 
Seriously Wonderboy would get fucked by a good muay thai fighter. History has shown time and time again that Muay Thai counters karate. Infact, when the great karate fighters first started to seek out fight promotions to test their styles in real battles they came to the thai leagues. This is where they would all get completely dominated by low kicks and knees during their blitzes. Infact, the low kicking of their bladed stance was so bad that it spawned a whole new genre of "kickboxing" aka the above-the-waist tournaments. Back to Wonderboy, he actually fought his kickboxing career in these leagues, all the way until he entered MMA. In the UFC he has fought zero leg kick specialists. A total of 8 leg kicks has been even attempted against him in his full run, 6 of them landed. Im just here to tell you that the first man to pit his gloves up tight and hammer that leg will walk out with a win over Thompson. May it be Cerrone or Woodley(if he remembers he can chop trees with the leg kick) but it will happen. Once it does im reviving this thread that will only get "wonderboy es numbr wan" replies

I don't think anyone can dispute how effective MT has been against karate practitioners in the past, however I don't think it's just a matter of kicking WB's legs alone that will lead to a victory. Realistically, the fighter who beats him in a stand up battle has to layer their striking in a way to consistently create leg kick (or other) openings. WB is experienced enough where he'll make adjustments if you're utilizing certain striking tools in a singular manner too often. If a fighter just comes out trying to blast WB's legs, then they're gonna be in for a rude awakening when he darts out of kicking range and blitzes back in with counters while they're off balance.
 
Andy Hug of Kyokushin Karate and Lyoto Machida of Shotokan Karate would disagree.
 
"Top karate fighters can beat any style," Where is the evidence that supports this statement. Many people think Machida was purely a karate guy but he's been training bjj for over 15 years. He also trained muay thai in Thailand. Even if he did use karate as his base, he was never a dominant champ and got popped for PEDS. Wonderboy is the closest thing to a pure karate guy ever to fight for a UFC title. Lets see if he wins the title and defends it a couple of times before suggesting karate as a dominant art in MMA
I never implied you don't need to cross-train. Of course you need to cross-train in modern MMA.

And I specifically said that MT will always be more popular among MMA fighters than MMA.

I'm saying, a great fighter can win regardless of style - MT, karate, Dutch kickboxing, whatever. If they're good enough, they'll succeed.

It's more the fighter that counts. Not just the style.
 
Wrestling counters boxing, karate counters wrestling, muay thai counters karate, and boxing counters muay thai. Amirite?
 
Seriously Wonderboy would get fucked by a good muay thai fighter. History has shown time and time again that Muay Thai counters karate. Infact, when the great karate fighters first started to seek out fight promotions to test their styles in real battles they came to the thai leagues. This is where they would all get completely dominated by low kicks and knees during their blitzes. Infact, the low kicking of their bladed stance was so bad that it spawned a whole new genre of "kickboxing" aka the above-the-waist tournaments. Back to Wonderboy, he actually fought his kickboxing career in these leagues, all the way until he entered MMA. In the UFC he has fought zero leg kick specialists. A total of 8 leg kicks has been even attempted against him in his full run, 6 of them landed. Im just here to tell you that the first man to pit his gloves up tight and hammer that leg will walk out with a win over Thompson. May it be Cerrone or Woodley(if he remembers he can chop trees with the leg kick) but it will happen. Once it does im reviving this thread that will only get "wonderboy es numbr wan" replies
That is not the reason there is no low kicking in American Karate. It's the same reason there is no low strikes in fencing. In a real fight for your life are you going to leg kick a guy? No you are not, you will kick him in the head with boots on. The rule preserves the "Karate" concept of 1 strike ends the fight.
Cool av.
 
Semmy Schilt was a pretty badass karateka too. And Raymond Daniels. You got Yair holdin' it down for TKD, too.It just depends on whether a style of fighting lends itself towards the fighter's man's strengths. In that sense, there's an element of chance as to whether a young fighter is exposed to the optimal fighting style for them in their formative years. For instance, I'm not at all sure that Wonderboy would be nearly as effective a fighter had he been raised a MT fighter. His athletic style and mentality lend itself towards a karate-based attack.

Or is is that the karate influenced his athletic style and mentality? Hmmm...
 
Lol. Go ahead and ignore the context of what I said while making up some BS about Thompson. Go nuthug Thai fighters somewhere else and quit being jealous of Karate's success and dominace in mma.

On second thought, I was a bit to harsh with my wording. Sorry about that.

Youre acting like thompson has won the belt.
And there is no jealousy..how many Karate guys have held the belt?
GSP and Machidas short stint.
Trust me, NOBODY is jealous lol
 
Prob is hes a world class kickboxer and mma has a low supply of decent to world class muay thai guys for comparison
 
As a Wonderboy fanboy who thinks hes easily the best WW, I definitely agree to a certain point. I don't think its as easy as you imply. Wonderboy isn't just a Karate fighter anymore. He's got very good grappling now. I mean he was able to take Rory and Ellenburger. He's also gotten really good at his straight counters, plus he can always land crazy kicks.

So yes a guy like Aldo or RDA would probably be a nightmare for him, but some fringe top 10 muay thai wouldn't be a favorite over him.
 
Unfortunately I don't think it's quite that simple. A fight with peak Alves certainly would have been interesting though.
I dunno, i think thiago alves' muay is really overrated by rogan. Sure he has some powerful leg kicks, but his overall kicking ability isnt good at all. Muay thai is not just leg kicks.
 
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