1. Where did your likes go? Please Read This Thread »

Wonderboy is lucky WW has so few MT fighters

Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by YoungRonniecoleman, Aug 14, 2016.

  1. YoungRonniecoleman Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2016
    Messages:
    2,464
    Likes Received:
    0
    Seriously Wonderboy would get fucked by a good muay thai fighter. History has shown time and time again that Muay Thai counters karate. Infact, when the great karate fighters first started to seek out fight promotions to test their styles in real battles they came to the thai leagues. This is where they would all get completely dominated by low kicks and knees during their blitzes. Infact, the low kicking of their bladed stance was so bad that it spawned a whole new genre of "kickboxing" aka the above-the-waist tournaments. Back to Wonderboy, he actually fought his kickboxing career in these leagues, all the way until he entered MMA. In the UFC he has fought zero leg kick specialists. A total of 8 leg kicks has been even attempted against him in his full run, 6 of them landed. Im just here to tell you that the first man to pit his gloves up tight and hammer that leg will walk out with a win over Thompson. May it be Cerrone or Woodley(if he remembers he can chop trees with the leg kick) but it will happen. Once it does im reviving this thread that will only get "wonderboy es numbr wan" replies
     
  2. The Renegade Silver Belt

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2008
    Messages:
    11,615
    Likes Received:
    7
    Location:
    Upstate NY
    Unfortunately I don't think it's quite that simple. A fight with peak Alves certainly would have been interesting though.
     
  3. 13Seconds Red Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2015
    Messages:
    9,048
    Likes Received:
    293
    There is a style to beat every style. What's your point?

    DJ is lucky there isn't a style at FLW to beat him.
     
  4. YoungRonniecoleman Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2016
    Messages:
    2,464
    Likes Received:
    0
    Well do you know which style beats DJ?
     
  5. elbowsandwiches Black Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2013
    Messages:
    5,244
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Florida
    doesnt MT require a lot of clinching? I don't see you getting ahold of Wonder Boy like that. He's too distant and low stanced
     
  6. AceCooch Ace Land

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2016
    Messages:
    3,716
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    In a Cardboard Box
    Can you clarify what you mean by getting "fucked"

    Do you mean backpack fucked or like Urijah Faber "You're going to fuck yourself up" or do you mean Uriah Hall from TUF "HOLY FUCK" or do you mean like how Mr. and Ms Tate Fuck?
     
  7. Fyreborn Brown Belt

    Joined:
    May 19, 2012
    Messages:
    3,910
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    New Jersey
    I don't know about that.

    I agree Muay Thai can play havoc with karate, but it's more skill beats skill, elite beats elite.

    A great fighter can win with any style. Better fighters will tend to beat worse ones, regardless of style.

    Plenty of MT fighters Machida could've beaten. Shogun just happened to not be one (not legitly anyway).

    Most fans prefer watching MT and so do I, but it's more dominant over karate mainly due to karate lacking elite talents. Elite karate talents do exist though (Andy Hug) and they can beat MT guys.
     
  8. ReasonableMMAFan Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2016
    Messages:
    3,192
    Likes Received:
    0
    Bro. You're dumb. Wonderboy would obviously prepare for such an attack if it was threatened.

    #WonderboyBless
    #Karate
     
  9. RhinoRush Company Veteran Double Yellow Card

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2016
    Messages:
    4,775
    Likes Received:
    0
    Good thing for him Tyrone has none of those skills and he's going to mangle and embarrass him and take his belt.
     
  10. YoungRonniecoleman Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2016
    Messages:
    2,464
    Likes Received:
    0
    It doesent required any clinching. And Wonderboy will be a lot easier to get a hold of when he's limping around on one leg. If you watch his fight with Matt Brown, you will notice his movement slowed down significantly in the second round. Matt was holding him on the cage forcing him to push with his legs, and hitting the legs with small strikes. Wonderboy had almost nothing in them after round 1, his lead leg kicks were harmless at that point and he couldnt stay in the range he wants to. Whenever someone comes in and starts actually kicking his leg for real that will be much worse.
     
  11. xterm11 Sonofabitch I'm sick of these dolphins

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2009
    Messages:
    1,370
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Boston
    Paragraphs are your friend....

    That being said, just because Shogun's Muay Thai beat Machida's doesn't mean everyone can replicate it. Shogun was an amazing fighter in his day.
     
  12. Fyreborn Brown Belt

    Joined:
    May 19, 2012
    Messages:
    3,910
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    New Jersey
    Ian McCall should've beaten him. Though MM is improved now.
    That's why karate stances are said to be vulnerable to low kicks.
    What in the "fuck" is the only thing I can say to this bizarre post.
     
  13. ReasonableMMAFan Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2016
    Messages:
    3,192
    Likes Received:
    0
    Although Don Wilson wasn't a karate specialist like Hug, he has/had a similar stance to guys like Thompson and Daniels. And he whipped this one Muay Thai guy at his own game for like seven rounds straight, some guy called Fanta. You can look it up, Don himself even did a commentary of the fight on his YouTube channel.
     
  14. YoungRonniecoleman Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2016
    Messages:
    2,464
    Likes Received:
    0
    He prepared for it by fighting 57 kickboxing fights and making sure none of them allowed leg kixks. #WonderboyBless
     
  15. ColombianFist "Might After Throw an Imanari"

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2012
    Messages:
    5,762
    Likes Received:
    63
    Location:
    Colombia (Duh)
    umm alves is a WW, shame he is not the same anymore. but styles makes fights and i think wonderboy beats alves or any MT guy in WW. but who knows.
     
  16. mangokush Black Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2012
    Messages:
    5,109
    Likes Received:
    25
    Woodley's Athletic & Explosive kicks could the difference. Got the tko injury over Condit due those kicks.

    Same fate may happen to Wonderboy just like he couldn't deal with the Athletic & Explosiveness of Raymond Daniels which caused his ACL injury, he may not be able to deal with the Athletic & Explosiveness of Woodley.
     
  17. ReasonableMMAFan Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2016
    Messages:
    3,192
    Likes Received:
    0
    Lol. Go ahead and ignore the context of what I said while making up some BS about Thompson. Go nuthug Thai fighters somewhere else and quit being jealous of Karate's success and dominace in mma.

    On second thought, I was a bit to harsh with my wording. Sorry about that.
     
    Last edited: Aug 14, 2016
  18. YoungRonniecoleman Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2016
    Messages:
    2,464
    Likes Received:
    0
    Thompson doesent have one stance, he uses 3 different stances depending on the range he is in, all 3 allowing for different attacks. Its actually a super cool system imo, but also one exploitable since you know he wont be punching in one stance and know he wont be kicking in another etc. - anyway you're both right that there's more to it than just styles and a karate guy could beat a MT fighter. But Wonderboy spending his whole pre-MMA career avoiding low kicks, and only 8 total leg kicks being attempted against him in all his UFC fights is the reason i think the first guy to really kick his leg will beat him, just like the first guy that clinched him and took him down beat him
     
  19. 10mm Staring at the sun.

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2012
    Messages:
    14,797
    Likes Received:
    91
    Location:
    Build a wall around TX. Exit only
    He fights very long and switches stances which can make leg kicks harder to land. Im a huge fan of the leg kick. He also has great hands, so while one is attempting a leg kick they get countered with stiff punches. I would like to see him and Cerrone fight. One of my favorite leg kickers.
     
  20. Fyreborn Brown Belt

    Joined:
    May 19, 2012
    Messages:
    3,910
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    New Jersey
    Condit got hurt because of the takedown. I am surprised how many think it was the kick.

    Why did you think it was the kicks? Did you see the fight?
    Dominance? MT fighters are a dime a dozen in MMA. It's one of the four basic arts most train - wrestling, boxing, MT, BJJ.

    Top karate fighters can beat any style. But I think MT will always be more popular for MMA than other kickboxing styles.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.