Winning Wrestling Moves

[FLMikeATT]

Anyone have this book?

I received a $25 gift certificate for Barnes and Noble for Christmas, and since most BJJ books are about $30, I decided to pick up this book.

My primary motivation for buying this book is the breakdowns/rides/pins section, although I'm sure the other sections will be helpful.

A lot of times when I have someones back (no hooks), I get stuck when my opponent has good defense. My first move is usually to get my hooks in. If I can't do that then I try to work a clock choke/crucifix/reverse omoplata game. However, it's hard to catch people around my level with these moves so I thought I might try to get better at some wrestling breakdowns/rides.

Looking through the book, the photos are in black and white, the angles kind of suck, and the explanations often leave me a little confused, but overall it seems like a pretty decent book, and I can't wait to try out some of these armbar and nelson holds from the back.

Has this book, or just wrestling holds in general, helped anyones back game in BJJ?

 

[ke1]

There are only so many ways you can ride a person, I'm thinking buying a book would be useless.

Here are the rides that I know:
1. leg ride (one hook in)
2. double leg ride
3. Iowa ride (your right ankle under his left ankle)
4. 2-1
5. Tight waist-ankle
6. Spiral-ride

The thing is, I used to wrestle, but now when I roll jiu jitsu, and I get their back, I just go to the double under-hooks and grabbing their collar technique.

A lot of the wrestling rides allow the opponent to roll or turn onto his back, getting you in half guard and giving you sidemount. With the double underhooks, I maintain back control fairly easily.

 

[Granimal]

Anyone have this book?

I received a $25 gift certificate for Barnes and Noble for Christmas, and since most BJJ books are about $30, I decided to pick up this book.

My primary motivation for buying this book is the breakdowns/rides/pins section, although I'm sure the other sections will be helpful.

A lot of times when I have someones back (no hooks), I get stuck when my opponent has good defense. My first move is usually to get my hooks in. If I can't do that then I try to work a clock choke/crucifix/reverse omoplata game. However, it's hard to catch people around my level with these moves so I thought I might try to get better at some wrestling breakdowns/rides.

Looking through the book, the photos are in black and white, the angles kind of suck, and the explanations often leave me a little confused, but overall it seems like a pretty decent book, and I can't wait to try out some of these armbar and nelson holds from the back.

Has this book, or just wrestling holds in general, helped anyones back game in BJJ?

Something I have been playing with recently is using a butterfly hook underneith the hamstring when I can't get a hook in. There are a couple of things you can do to stay in control and get a hook in by doing this.

 

[ke1]

Something I have been playing with recently is using a butterfly hook underneith the hamstring when I can't get a hook in. There are a couple of things you can do to stay in control and get a hook in by doing this.

If you're able to break the opponent down (by taking away his arms and putting pressure on his hips) putting your shins on the back of his knees (butterfly) works very well in preventing him from getting back onto all 4's.

 

[FLMikeATT]

There are only so many ways you can ride a person, I'm thinking buying a book would be useless.

Here are the rides that I know:
1. leg ride (one hook in)
2. double leg ride
3. Iowa ride (your right ankle under his left ankle)
4. 2-1
5. Tight waist-ankle
6. Spiral-ride

The thing is, I used to wrestle, but now when I roll jiu jitsu, and I get their back, I just go to the double under-hooks and grabbing their collar technique.

A lot of the wrestling rides allow the opponent to roll or turn onto his back, getting you in half guard and giving you sidemount. With the double underhooks, I maintain back control fairly easily.

I see. I don't really like double lapel control myself, due to this purple belt who always sweeps me from there. I believe Saulo shows it on one of his turtle dvds. It's one of those rolling/granby type sweeps, and every time he does it he lands on top in side control.

 

[FLMikeATT]

Something I have been playing with recently is using a butterfly hook underneith the hamstring when I can't get a hook in. There are a couple of things you can do to stay in control and get a hook in by doing this.

hmm. I'm going to have to try this.

So ke1, you don't really use armbars/nelsons/etc when rolling in BJJ?

There's this one blue belt who was a collegiate wrestler who kills me with a power half (and other crazy shit) when he gets my back.

 

[ke1]

No I don't. The thing is, in wrestling, your WHOLE purpose is to get the opponent on his back. The armbars, nelsons, and power halfs are used to turn you onto your back.

If I have your back, I will never use a half nelson to get sidemount instead. I might even get caught in half-guard if I try.

When the wrestler does the power half, IF you resist, then it hurts, not enough to tap, but it hurts, but if you don't resist, its painless, you give him what he wants, but in reality you're in a better position (in BJJ)

 

[ke1]

Just think of it as "What is the end result of a half nelson and how is it advantageous for me"

The end result is you give up back control for sidemount without any sort of submission.

nah mean?

 

[FLMikeATT]

Just think of it as "What is the end result of a half nelson and how is it advantageous for me"

The end result is you give up back control for sidemount without any sort of submission.

nah mean?

I see what you're saying.

I guess I'll focus more on the takedowns and escapes/reversals section.

 

[Zankou]

I have this book, and it's AWESOME. Not much on attacking the back, to be honest, but great breakdowns of every imaginable wrestling move, set in sequence (counters to a high crotch, finishes to a single leg on the mat, counters to a single leg on the mat, etcetera).

 

[Kforcer]

It's a great book. There's 0 dispute about it. It's been used by coaches for ages, either in it's current form or in it's prior incarnation as Wrestling the Iowa Hawkeye Way.

 

[Kforcer]

I have this book, and it's AWESOME.

It's precursor which I mention in my post is even better, IMO.

 

[stu3ufc**]

yes i have this ---with fore word from dan gable


its a good book!! i havent seen many wrestling books out there but this is really good---well presented many clear fotos and the discriptions are ok


i prefer wrestling instructionals because theres a lot of movemnt you miss in takedowns


its a good reference book

 

[Brad Boulton]

Get one hook in and go for a spledle or twister!

 

[stu3ufc**]

yes

 

[Nagster5]

Its a great book for all of the old school standbys. I have had it since sophmore year of highschool and it offers great minutia for improving your control.

 

[Humungus]

get mark hatmakers dvd series. It's catch wrestling stuff and goes over tons of rides, holds, and control positions that you will never see in BJJ material

 

[FLMikeATT]

get mark hatmakers dvd series. It's catch wrestling stuff and goes over tons of rides, holds, and control positions that you will never see in BJJ material

Thanks. I'm going to look into this.

 

[The Apostle]

Can't remember what the ride, or breakdown, is called in collegiate style wrestling but I have used it with success when having an opponents back and they are playing good enough defense to prevent the hooks from going in.

It is the one where you start from referee's position and you are the top wrestler (let's say you are on the left side of the turtled wrestler doing this), you slip in the half nelson with the hand that started on his elbow (left hand) and you drive the other hand (right) that was around his waist into the inside of his right thigh. You then forcefully apply the half while shoving the guys thigh out and away from his base, while then spinning towards his head chest-to-back. It will either break them down or force them to open something up. One thing to be cautious of though is if the opponent granby rolls, keep your arms and head together and out, or more simply, if he granby rolls watch out for triangles, etc. after.

 

[ke1]

Can't remember what the ride, or breakdown, is called in collegiate style wrestling but I have used it with success when having an opponents back and they are playing good enough defense to prevent the hooks from going in.

It is the one where you start from referee's position and you are the top wrestler (let's say you are on the left side of the turtled wrestler doing this), you slip in the half nelson with the hand that started on his elbow (left hand) and you drive the other hand (right) that was around his waist into the inside of his right thigh. You then forcefully apply the half while shoving the guys thigh out and away from his base, while then spinning towards his head chest-to-back. It will either break them down or force them to open something up. One thing to be cautious of though is if the opponent granby rolls, keep your arms and head together and out, or more simply, if he granby rolls watch out for triangles, etc. after.

Spiral ride w/ half nelson in.