Will there be anti-war protests like Vietnam and Iraq?

This is just a no-win situation. It's not like any path we choose is going to have a good outcome, because of the actions of Assad and Putin, and of certain rebels and every neighboring country and Islam itself. Yes, it's true that Assad deserves all kinds of bombs up his ass, and it's true that we are justified in delivering them. It's also true that it's perilous and just fucking wrong to let leaders get away with chemical weapons attacks on their people. It's just not the whole story.

And yes of course Russia will be pimping anti-war propaganda, as will white supremacist groups. That's a coincidence of converging interests, and both of those groups love murky soups like that. Lots of minds ripe for exploitation because they agree on the bottom line of a major issue.
 
Folks, this is most definitely the biggest try hard post against Christians I've seen all year so far.

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Really? Who has been part of every Major War in the 20th century onward? hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....Who were the countries involved in the World Wars?hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


Yep, they all seem to be Christian.
 
I mentioned singular attacks, because the guy was saying "It's just 30 deaths, lets not freakout", yet its normal for people in the war room to freakout over singular incidents like an illegal killing some person, even though, most illegals don't kill people.

Well the Old Testament still exist, so why doesn't that supercede the peaceful new testament?


As for Christians doing heinous things......You do know that Christians started World War 1 and World War 2.....They literally been part of the biggest wars.....Christians have a way rationalizing their violence....Sure it might be a violation of the new testament but Christian are much more pro war than Muslims as of late.

Take look at bush....Christian as fuck...If you asked him, if what he did was against the Christian Faith...Im 100% sure, that he will think, that he isn't in violation at all.
Abrogation in interpretation of the Quran is the idea that later words from God supersede older words from God. Christians believe that Jesus is God and that his teachings were to fix the errors of men. Isn't it obvious that the New Testament (about Jesus) would supersede the old testament (not about Jesus) for Christians?

You seem confused. I never denied that Christians have done heinous things. I've stated that those atrocities contradict the New Testament. Which they objectively do. The same simply isn't true of Islam in many cases.

I agree that people often make appeals to emotion based on individual stories. I even alluded to it in my last post. I was just stating that those aren't the only arguments against Islam.
 
This is just a no-win situation. It's not like any path we choose is going to have a good outcome, because of the actions of Assad and Putin, and of certain rebels and every neighboring country and Islam itself. Yes, it's true that Assad deserve all kinds of bombs up his ass, and it's true that we are justified in delivering them. It's just not the whole story.

And yes of course Russia will be pimping anti-war propaganda, as will white supremacist groups. That's a coincidence of converging interests, and both of those groups love murky soups like that. Lots of minds ripe for exploitation because they agree on the bottom line of a major issue.
This is 100% a "fuck this gay earth" sorta situation.

Really? Who has been part of every Major War in the 20th century onward? hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....Who were the countries involved in the World Wars?hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


Yep, they all seem to be Christian.
And Buddhists/Shintoists were the reason the Americans decided to shove the atom bombs up my mother's peoples' ass too right?

It doesn't work that way.
 
Really? Who has been part of every Major War in the 20th century onward? hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....Who were the countries involved in the World Wars?hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


Yep, they all seem to be Christian.
LOL omg just stop man. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot.

Here's one for you;

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Really? Who has been part of every Major War in the 20th century onward? hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....Who were the countries involved in the World Wars?hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


Yep, they all seem to be Christian.
Well, actually, the USSR was atheist and China and Japan are not Christian, but that's irrelevant to the conversation. Like I stated in my post that you responded to, I'm talking about Islam as a religious system, as an institution. My issue is not with Islamic people. My issue is with the words in the book. It is objectively not a peaceful institution. That doesn't mean there aren't good Muslims. There are bad Christians, Hindus, and Buddhists. All three of those religions have far better tenets than Islam. People are usually not a perfect reflection of systems that they are a part of.
 
@GOATER is acting like WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and the Gulf Wars were all some macabre Christian plot to spread the good word of the Lord.



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Off topic but that clip from TPB has to be old as shit now but goddamn I nearly fall out of my chair every time I see it.
 
So.. this is totally unrelated to the thread, but my problem with Islam has nothing to do with Muslim people or even really specific acts of terror. It is systemic. I assume that it's the same for many others. People just use examples of terrorism to make their points with an appeal to emotion. I'm not about that. The Quran is not compatible with Western culture. Due to abrogation, the more war-mongering and violent parts of the Quran supercede the peaceful ones when there is contradiction because they were written later. Individual Muslims who fit in with Western culture are able to do so by altering their religion. At its core, Islam is not a religion of peace. When Christians do heinous things they are acting in violation of the New Testament so the religion really can't be blamed. The same often cannot be said if Islam.
This is not entirely true. For one the Qur'an itself is relatively peaceful when compared to the injunctions derived from the canonized hadith literature which emerged about 200 years after the Prophet's lifetime. Muslims who follow only the Qur'an are called Quranists and tend to have less problematic interpretations than those who rely more heavily on the hadith. For instance, your point about abrogation tends to be derived from hadith literature which attempted to contextualize the Quranic verses and sometimes that context lead the theologians to abrogate certain verses.

However orthodox Islam is built largely on the hadith literature and the Quranists are a tiny minority and considered heretics by mainstream Islamic theology. Which is unfortunate not only because of their less problematic interpretations but also because I believe they have a stronger argument given the stronger historicity of the Qur'an when compared to the hadith by modern Western standards.

Second, its not really true that its the violent Muslims properly following the religion while the peaceful ones are the one deviating from it, especially in the context of countries like Syria. Most Islamist violence ends up affecting other Muslims and that's very much a huge break from tradition where spreading discord among Muslims was considered a great evil. 99/100 the religious establishment would preach that rebellion against a legitimate Muslim ruler was a greater evil than oppression by said legitimate Muslim ruler and tbh when you look at the hellscape that is Syria you have to wonder if they had a point.

Modern Islamists argue their way out of this conundrum by relying heavily on takfir, or excommunication, and hence the use of the term takfiri to describe such Islamist movements. But this is a relatively recent shift and it was not the orthodox position. The Prophet was supposed to have said that if a Muslim accuses another of takfir then one of them is guilty, with the implication being that the charge is so serious that a false accusation is a grave enough crime to warrant excommunication. Even the founder of Wahhabism was criticized by his own brother for assuming takfir when Muslims deviate from orthodoxy instead of giving them the benefit of the doubt.

The traditional caution and restraint in accusations of takfir are completely ignored by militant Islamists who essentially claim that the vast majority of the world's Muslims, and especially the leaders of Muslim majority states, are worthy of takfir and thus they are legitimate targets of violence.
 
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