Will the UFC soon start matching boxings biggest gates?

DeathByBeer said:
Well, considering if Mayweather doesnt keep fighting, even boxing can't match any of those gates anymore.

Theres no one else left in boxing at the moment that can draw like that, and the Mayweather phenomenon has alot to do with the fact that there is no one else in boxing creating much excitement.

So no, not the huge gates, but maybe 15 sometime soon.
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Ever heard of Triple G?
 
Lol I paid for May-Pac. ....waste of money, and I'm broke.

Jon Jones can become a bigger star if he starts speaking ebonics and become moar hood
 
I saw this interesting chart here in the forums the other day about race, age, gender, and nationality of mma and boxing fans. That chart showed a tremendous amount of support for boxing in the older audience, but the younger you go, the more the fan preference swings into mma...

My point is that while I don't necessarily believe boxing will ever truly die out, the future looks much more promising for mma. It's just a matter of time until mma truly takes over the ppv market.
 
I think more main stream acceptance, and international growth probably ensures that in the long term it climbs slowly to compete with the top 5 - 10 boxing gates in history. A 4 or 5 percent annual growth in top gates puts it 5 to 10 years away. If 196 performs as they claim it's tracking it's this year. If Conor wins at 196 in impressive fashion and decides to fight for the WW title at UFC 200, they'll be in the top 5 this year.
 
Byron Pechorin said:
Triple God is my favorite boxer...but he can't draw for shit. His fight with Lemieux just barely broke 100k ppv didn't it?
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He hasn't broke out yet as a big draw, although if that Canelo fight happens that'll be big, but he said no one in Boxing is bringing excitement that's just false considering Triple G is murking people left and right.
 
Byron Pechorin said:
Triple God is my favorite boxer...but he can't draw for shit. His fight with Lemieux just barely broke 100k ppv didn't it?
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He hasn't broken into the PPV market much yet, but Golovkin has been able to draw good numbers for HBO and has been able to draw the live crowd into the arena. Stuff like that and with his ability, looks, personality, etc., he has a lot of potential in becoming a big PPV star in boxing over the next couple of years. Obviosuly he's not there yet, but let's remember that someone like Manny Pacquiao barely cracked 100k PPV buys in a couple of his early PPVs when (against Larios and Solis), like Golovkin did vs Lemieux, Manny had to carry most of the event by himself.
 
I still cant believe the maypac fight, the numbers it did were astonishing
 
Cry0Therapy737 said:
Ever heard of Triple G?
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Yes, but I read a fight forum every day so even though I don't follow boxing like I did years ago, I have heard of him.

It says his last fight in October drew 150,000 ppv buys.

You are thinking he will be drawing 15 million gates soon?
 
honzo said:
I still cant believe the maypac fight, the numbers it did were astonishing
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Over a half a billion dollars in revenue for a single fight really is utterly ridiculous when you think about it.
 
I don't know. Even now I see casuals just not giving a shit about the fights - even with conor.

With ronda on the shelf - just does not seem most people care. As much as people wanna say conor is the biggest ever. I just see co-w0kers, friends, family, who just do not give a shit one way or the other about ufc now that ronda is not in the picture.

who knows - maybe if conor is able to go through with his predictions of startching RDA, moving up and fighting Robbie and potentially winning (Of all 170s Robbie would be the best fit for him imo and best chance of getting the win. The big wrestlers would maul him and a guy like wonderboy would eat his ass standing) would create the hype and interest.
 
In my opinion 4 things need to happen:

1) get rid of the Reebok deal so that other companies can dump their resources into fighters and increase the market share for the UFC, thus letting other entities help expand the brand.

2) Promote fighters as much as they can and invest in each particulars fighter's brand, examples:

Rockhold, Cormier, and Velasquez represent a crazy opportunity of three training partners quest for gold. Why not have them each fight on the same card for the strap, since they all have a legit claim to a shot.

-or-

A young guns card aka fresh face PPV card to reintroduce fighters on the come-up who have legit chances to get a strap and expose them to more face time, led by Ferguson vs Khabib/Stipe vs Hapa/ Etc.

-or-

Insert creative card theme with true talents that haven't received marketing muscle.

3) Allow another promotion to grow and create a real rivalry of sorts. They lost really amazing opportunities w/ Pride and Strikeforce. What kind of hype would Strikeforce LHW King Cormiers vs UFC Champ Jon Jones for the unified title would have had? Thus, again, creating a greater market share by allowing options within the Pro MMA framework and leading into the biggest point of contention (#4).

4) Having a competing brand have enough influence to have cross promotion events and enabling the outcome of a more unbiased ranking system for title fights (on actual wins, not by excitement or money they draw). A reality of a champion holding belts in at least 2 different well known federations and defending them under a unified MMA governing body. This would legitimize the sport by leaps and bounds while creating an expanded and sustainable market based on skill, healthy promotion of talent, unbiased governance, and more resources (not to mention roster room) to attract future talent. Instead of a market that piggybacks the hype of one fighter and has to find a way to overcome lost popularity because that one person loses. When the promoter is just as big as the stars, how well is he promoting a market of numerous talents?

Do these things and I feel they would begin to put a stranglehold on boxing's market.
 
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snkst said:
Boxing is simply BIGGER than ufc plain and simple.

The sport of boxing can produce stars while mma simple cant.

they'll never reach that level. ronda is an internet star nothing more, how come with all her hype she cant destroy all of boxings records?? because shes a hollow media girl and nothing after that. just some hype and that's it.
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Its kind of ignorant to say they will never reach that level especially considering many thought mma would be an after thought over a dozen years ago, and considering pro boxing has been around for a very, very long time and has had a lot of time to grow.

Mma could easily overtake boxing as more parents are beginning to send their kids to martial arts classes and it is getting a lot more exposure with every new year. It is continuously growing, and yes, its stars are overtaking boxings. Without floyd, as much as many hate him, face it guys...boxing struggles to find that next marketable superstar, while mma will only continue to grow.
 
DeathByBeer said:
Yes, but I read a fight forum every day so even though I don't follow boxing like I did years ago, I have heard of him.

It says his last fight in October drew 150,000 ppv buys.

You are thinking he will be drawing 15 million gates soon?
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$15 million might be on the high side, but with the right opponent (i.e. Canelo) I think there's a very good chance Golovkin can draw a gate into the eight figures. I mentioned Pacquiao up above and, with the right opponent (Oscar), he drew a $14 million gate just over a year after he pulled 150k buys on PPV and only a few months after he drew 200k buys.
 
Apocalypse604 said:
Its kind of ignorant to say they will never reach that level especially considering many thought mma would be an after thought over a dozen years ago, and considering pro boxing has been around for a very, very long time and has had a lot of time to grow.

Mma could easily overtake boxing as more parents are beginning to send their kids to martial arts classes and it is getting a lot more exposure with every new year. It is continuously growing, and yes, its stars are overtaking boxings. Without floyd, as much as many hate him, face it guys...boxing struggles to find that next marketable superstar, while mma will only continue to grow.
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"Oscar is the last of the dying breed. He's the only major attraction at the moment in boxing. And there's no one really on the horizon to replace him."

- so said Bob Arum in Sept of 2004

That's the same Bob Arum who had someone named Floyd Mayweather under contract at the time and was a year away from having someone named Manny Pacquiao under his banner. Yet even a guy like Arum, who had decades worth of experience in promotion and had an invested interest in building stars, wasn't able to see the future. If he couldn't predict the then-future drawing power of his own fighters who did become huge stars then I'm not sure anybody can with confidence. Besides, boxing already has their next big star in place already. Some young 25 year-old Mexican named Canelo Alvarez, who was involved in the 2nd biggest gate on that list and was involved in another one in his last fight that made the list drawing a $12.5 million gate and 900k PPV buys.
 
DeathByBeer said:
Yes, but I read a fight forum every day so even though I don't follow boxing like I did years ago, I have heard of him.

It says his last fight in October drew 150,000 ppv buys.

You are thinking he will be drawing 15 million gates soon?
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He will do big numbers going forward, he's just now getting his name out there among the casual sports watchers and there's been a lot of talk about him fighting Canelo that will be a very big fight, 15 million dollar gate big? I don't know but it's definitely gonna be big if it happens.

GordoBarraBJJ said:
I don't know. Even now I see casuals just not giving a shit about the fights - even with conor.

With ronda on the shelf - just does not seem most people care. As much as people wanna say conor is the biggest ever. I just see co-w0kers, friends, family, who just do not give a shit one way or the other about ufc now that ronda is not in the picture.

who knows - maybe if conor is able to go through with his predictions of startching RDA, moving up and fighting Robbie and potentially winning (Of all 170s Robbie would be the best fit for him imo and best chance of getting the win. The big wrestlers would maul him and a guy like wonderboy would eat his ass standing) would create the hype and interest.
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People care, people think Ronda is coming back and people know who Conor is, we'll know a lot about Conor and his grasp on the mainstream culture in two weeks but ESPN and FOX were talking about Ronda and Holly just last week.
 
I could see UFC breaking 20 mil at some point in the next 2 or 3 years.

The Mayweather vs. Pacquiao borefest was one of the best things to happen UFC last year.
 
They will never ever come anywhere close to Mayweather vs Manny
 
Sharkey said:
"Oscar is the last of the dying breed. He's the only major attraction at the moment in boxing. And there's no one really on the horizon to replace him."

- so said Bob Arum in Sept of 2004

That's the same Bob Arum who had someone named Floyd Mayweather under contract at the time and was a year away from having someone named Manny Pacquiao under his banner. Yet even a guy like Arum, who had decades worth of experience in promotion and had an invested interest in building stars, wasn't able to see the future. If he couldn't predict the then-future drawing power of his own fighters who did become huge stars then I'm not sure anybody can with confidence. Besides, boxing already has their next big star in place already. Some young 25 year-old Mexican named Canelo Alvarez, who was involved in the 2nd biggest gate on that list and was involved in another one in his last fight that made the list drawing a $12.5 million gate and 900k PPV buys.
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Sure yes, Canelo, a guy who was lucky to fight floyd and get pushed even more into the spotlight, a guy with the full backing of golden boys $$$, and the looks to market is doing good. It also helped he fought another old fading star in Cotto. Seriously though...boxing is far from the days where you could name bonafied stars in multiple weight classes. There has been a visible decline, and some of that can definitely be due to mmas appeal.

This is what people meant when they would say mma is taking way the shine from boxing....it wont happen overnight, but a decade ago, no one ever thought they would be doing 10-12 million gates either.

Slow, gradual progression my friend.
 
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