Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by The Chosen, Jun 20, 2021.
We can objectively say prime Stipe was better than Ngannou
No, and neither will Stipe.
2. Big Nog
Can’t stipe fight the rubber match first and then we can talk?
Here's Fedor losing early in his career. And yet many still consider him the goat!
They give DC so many "rubber matches" ... Conor too ... neither of whom has the resume or accolades of Stipe.
IMO, Stipe is the one deserving of the immediate rematch with Ngannou, after which the latter will live or die in infamy.
Unfortunately, the best version of Stipe and the best version of Francis will never meet.
How many rubber matches has DC had?
But Ngannou is much better now, so Stipe has one victory over a dangerous but still very green and inexperienced Ngannou. And Francis just iced at least a near-prime Stipe, so as it stands today, I think Francis owns the better victory of the two.
You need to stop living in the past bro
Sounds like you’re trying to discredit his win over stipe by saying he beat prime stripe how do we know when stipe isn’t in his prime maybe Francis just gotten better
By this logic, how can Stipe be GOAT?
He lost to essentially every prime, or close to prime fighter he faced? JDS, Struve, DC, Ngannou.
Francis could be HW GOAT. He needs to defend his title a number of times to do it.
Matt Hughes was the GOAT WW but had 2 decisive losses to Denis Hallman.
He's gotta win 2 against Black Beast before he can ever even be considered.
In the UFC, already surpassed Stipe. First win for Stipe don't count. In MMA? He doesn't have the level of competition to ever touch Fedor, Big Nog or Doom. His only prime wins are Blaydes and Stipe. And Stipe is iffy since he never even beat Blaydes or Volkov or Black Beast or anyone besides an old Doom and Green Ngannou.
The current version of Ngannou would have beaten Stipe in the first fight, probably pretty easily.
I think you could probably argue that Ngannou was a bit off of his peak in the first fight and Stipe a bit off of his in the second.
If you asked me who I would pick peak vs peak though it would be Francis, I think Stipe really exploited some tactical and technical holes in the first fight and I don't think being a bit faster/stronger would balance out Ngannou closing those holes in the rematch.
Gsp is not the 170 Goat because he lost to prime Hughes?
How? Stipe is 38 years old. He's near the end of his career with retirement being discussed since his rematch against Cormier. He's the same age as Cain Velasquez and almost two years older than Dos Santos. I would not be surprised if the Stipe we just saw get knocked out and outgrappled by the Ngannou we saw in the first fight.
Also, those two fights were both dominant wins in their own way. Stipe outstriked and completely dominated every single round of that fight. The second one, Stipe got knocked the fuck out after doing almost nothing before it. I'd say they are equal.
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