Will Boxing historians count Floyd jrs 50th win over Conor?

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  1. BluntTrauma21 Broner Brody / Pulev Posse

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    Exactly, most fighters have dog shit wins on their resume when they should've probably been fighting better opposition. Louis literally had Bums of the Month he would knock off all the time. JCC would fight cab drivers, most guys have been in the ring w/ guys who shouldn't have been in there with them at any point in time and had no chance to begin with.
     
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  2. Kovalev's "Man Bag" I don't do titles

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    One hunnit. So-called "no hopers" are present on even the highest rated ATGs' records. On the flip side if McGregor had beat Floyd then the ones saying it shouldn't count would be singing a different tune.
     
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    Yup, I know legit cappers who actually threw money down on Conor against Floyd as well. So not only did ppl think the fight should happen, they thought Conor had a chance as well.
     
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    I remember there were even some posters here that actually thought McGregor had a chance. Not many but a few thought so due to his size, purported power and youth in his favor. They shouldn't have sanctioned fights like Couture vs Toney in MMA either but they did. Should that win for Couture not count now because Toney wasn't an MMA fighter per se in the truest sense? It's reaching. McGregor is the one that wanted Floyd after all and not the other way around. He'd been name dropping him for years and chasing him. Nobody is making anyone rate those wins highly but they absolutely do count due to their official capacity and statistically on the record for book keeping.
     
  5. Rob-G Green Belt

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    I think the McGregor fight did gigantic wonders for Mayweather’s career. For starters, everyone hated Floyd after the Pacquiao fight. It was near impossible to find anyone who considered themselves a fan. Floyd/Berto was Floyd’s worst selling ppv in 10 years. From just one fight, his highest selling ppv to his lowest in a decade. Floyd beats Conor, and all of the sudden now Floyd has millions of fans and an almost cult like following. Retiring at 49-0 would’ve ended his career on a terrible note. I really think back to the insane amount of hate Floyd got from mid 2015 to mid 2017. If it weren’t for the Conor fight, Floyd would still be on that. It completely shifted his momentum. In 2021 Floyd could probably even rematch Andre Berto and it’d do over a million buys. We all know Conor was one of Floyd’s easiest wins. What it did for Floyd’s legacy though is mind blowing. If he left at 49-0 he’d pretty much be remembered for how disappointing the Pacquiao fight was.
     
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    this one another boxer appears was amazing cotender material for World Boxing Organisation World Cruiser Title:D.
    He before fight for this tittle had 2 amazing for such caliber cotender fights:
    opponent with record 0-1-0 and opponent with record 0-2-0 ..................... then after these fights he had fight for such high level tittle. Amazing.
    https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/14359
    :)
     
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  7. baconCrunch Brown Belt

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    conor goes down as,
    the all-time worst boxer to ever step into a championship ring.
     
  8. svmVR2097 Brown Belt

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    Hall of Famer and all time great Floyd Patterson was 33-1 and world heavyweight champion when he fought a debuting Pete Rademacher for the title. Rademacher dropped him in that fight but then got badly beaten.

    Granted Rademacher was coming off winning an olympic gold medal the year prior, but still, made his debut against the champ
     
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    Go look through Marciano's 49 and I bet you can find one or two guys that Conor himself would have beaten.
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    It counts. 50-0. They will always count it as 50-0.
     
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  10. ironfist05 Silver Belt

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    everybody has scrubs at some point on hteir record, whether it's early or late in their careers. so yes, of course.
     
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  11. User89 Banned Banned

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    In modern time? How many did Marciano fight who trained for pro boxing 3 months?
     
  12. SandisLL Brown Belt

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    This is just proper matchmaking in professional boxing as it should had be done.
    Yeah, in these times ammy boxe was not like now since 80 ies and even more later and this was more close to pro boxing from 50 ies than modern pro boxing is.
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    Yeah, to prove how punched in the face for a living is superior than ammy boxe etc.
    Of course better life and ethalon is to be punched in the face for a living.
    This is truth.
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    Patterson does not have name recognition outside of sports fans circle and he is nothing more than another noname outside of sport.
    Patterson ducked Liston during some time because he knew that Liston will humilitate him like kid.
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    Because he too knew how proper matchmaking in profesional business ( called sport boxing) should be done. Pro boxe is not a sport, it is business.
    Patterson knew that Liston will beat out of him all shit and future earning opportunities, his handlers and managers knew this, business people knew this and ..........Patterson ducked long long time to fight with Liston.
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    Business ofc helped him for some time to duck fight with Liston because Patterson already had more name recognition than Liston and ....... was considered also more " correct " champ than Liston.
    Until money offered was too high for managment to continue ducking fight with Liston.
    Business.
     
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    Interestingly how hypocryte is businessman's Pattersons legacy: beautiful proof that pro boxing and their stars are business projects.
    Patterson did not gave this guy rematch and also to London no, of course business is a business.:D
    When Johansson beated this businessman Patterson;), business needed rematches with him.
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    Lol, if Patterson fought with Liston in time when he had fights with London and thrilogy with Johansson, Patterson already had all shit beated out of him by Liston and was not some kind hall of famer etc alike star.
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    Definitely HOF material, later took fights with Ali to fill his wallet further, despite already was not even TOP5 material then.
     
  14. ironfist05 Silver Belt

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    two of floyds first fights were against debutants. Same with Hopkins. Fighting guys with no record isn't uncommon at all in the sport.
     
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    That's not the same as training 3 months for boxing. Someone who is making his pro debut has boxed longer than 3 months usually
     
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  17. djacobox372 Gold Belt

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    Conor / Floyd is about as legit has this was:

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    Are you stupid?
     
  20. Jose Beehive Arlo Yellow Card

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    Why would you think that?

    Maybe.
     

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