Why, why, but why GFL do not sign these types of fighters + Teams Ranking System

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Hello Friends,

2025 is a new year for all of us, I would like to know your opinion in details about the new organization that is emerging : GFL.
GFL official website is --> here.

Many criticized GFL as the washed fighers league who is not going to take over but only to bring back out of retirement all, with a weird system of team that has no meaning in a sport that is totally individual. I can understand that point of view, trying to make something new, but when it comes down to it I don't believe the wheels will run smooth. But why, for two reasons.

1 : The team system

We always believe that the team system is a bad idea in the long run. This team won, this team lost, means nothing, no fighter will ever care about others fighters careers as much as his own, it's a lonely sport in term of performances and results.

This is flawed at least in appareances.

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Example 1 :

Let's say fighter A1 lost to fighter B1
And fighter A2 won against B2
Then fighter A3 wins against B3

The team A won, the team B lost. But for A1, a team victory would mean nothing to him because it won't exist in his fighting record, but his loss against fighter B1 would still be real and of course painfull.

Example 2 :

Being a member of a team could give some advtanges, could give an easier access to quality world class coaching, we understand it can be beneficial. However, it may not be convenient for a fighter A1 to train with fighter A2, because he believes to have better sparring in his hometown or somewhere else. Or simply because fighter A2 is not suitable as a sparring partner for his upcoming bouts.

And if fighter A1 and A2 are on the same weightclass and on the same team, they won't be able to fight each other, unless one move, to get traded to another team.

All this fuss to make a fight happen ?? Why make things more complicated than what they already are.

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Basically, you can get penalized because of others, a fighter could lose three fights in a row and still his "team" could win. Will he be a winner in the scale, no.

A team scoring system is a bad idea, as a team performance in an individual sport are the sum of individualistic performances, and the sum of performances is still not a performance, even more when the sum comes down to a mix of individuals instead of just one.

2 : Fighters that need to be signed but are not signed

You want to compete with the best, to make a place for yourself in the big league ? But directly without a fan base ? They have too much ambition that they can afford. There are two steps to cash out money in MMA, one build a roster with deep and talents, and two market it to the world and cash out your work with events. Roster + Fanbase = The winning combination.

The problem with GFL is that literally 80% of fighters are, post prime, old, washed up, injured, retired, non relevant anymore, and are only showing up to make the most of money they can in the few years left in their careers. Some even came back from retirements. How can it be interesting ? Just make exhibitions bouts instead.

Ask me, whoever the people who are scheeming GFL, if I was among them I would take down the team system but keep a board of country, instead of team, because nationalism and patriotism fevers draw more crowds than cities. A ranking per countries, with most belts, and victories and finishes percentages will suit better, and of course it will have no effect on individual careers.

Even more, the very least to be done, would be to invest, a minimum of 50% of money on young fighters, instead of old ones.

Here is an example of two fighters that are worthy of being signed as welterweights.

A1 :
Vladyslav Rudniev (10-0) - 4/5 times Sambo World Champion - Left handed Southpaw
A2 : Khotam Boynazarov (10-0) 2018 Wrestling World Champion - Left handed Southpaw

You could give these fighters 100K dollars per bouts, sign 4 of them and make them fights old washed fighters, and thus the prospects will gain fame by defeating them. A wise and profitable investement.


But there are instead investing only on the past, than the future. And the past is an already sunken boat.

B1 : Kevin Lee (20-8) - Could not finish Diego Sanchez, a guy who never trained seriously and was brainwashed by a guru because he's a fool, and fought 3 times in 3 years.
B2 : Tyron Woodley (19-7) - Lost four fights in a row, and a boxing bout against Jake Paul, not a single win since 2018, SINCE 2018.

Who cares about Tyron Woodley or Kevin Lee, or Tony Ferguson fighting again ? Exhbiition bouts will suit them better.

Kevin lee wants a rematch against Tony Ferguson, this is very dangerous, as fighters like Tony are suffering obviously from CTE, brain damage, and others non desirable side effects of combat sport. For most, retiring would be the wisest for their healths and well-beings. Running out of option or leaving the field that is MMA is not a neccessity, the path of being a coach or a manager is always a door within one's reach.

Who do not want to see Kevin Lee fighting a Rudniev or a Boynazarov, instead of a washed Tony Ferguson. If Kevin lee would win against an elite welterweight prospect, it would mean that he still got it, and if he came to lose, he would pass the torch to the new generation and give fame and glory to the fighter who defeated him. This would have been much wiser, as prospects best ways to make a name for themselves is by destroying former contenders and champions. And prospects last at least for ten years if not more.

Instead what are they doing, nothing of what really matters, GFL are nothing but fools. The UFC will always be number one.

What we want to know is the salaries. Yes, how much these old post prime fighters are being paid. They are being paid handsomely that is certain. But is that sustainable on the long run. Absolutely not, I don't see how it could be sustainable. Becoming a brand ? The UFC is the brand, that give no room for all others organizations before GFL to breath in.

Salaries are the main concern, are they going to give a Gegard Mousasi old post prime fighter 700K/800K dollars like Bellator did, despite him this time fighting another old can and not even decent competition, and especially despite him drawing no crowd, not profitable at all.

Besides, If you were to bet on a fighter who is younger than 30 years old, in five years he will still be there, but if you bet on fighters who are past 40 for instance, in the next five years they are gone and your investment on them as well, but a 30 years old fighter would still be there.

Money is the fuel, and GFL without raising funds, sponsors, investors and crowd are going to go bankrupt in the next 5/10 years. And with a useless team system ranking that probably no-one will even care about, just how far they can go ?
They appears to be very rich in terms of ressources, and are not shy to sign big names of the sports. I'm prone to always support an alternative to the UFC evil monopoly, but this looks like some kind of bad jokes.

What GFL is to us, an organization that is willing to burn 250K/500K dollars given to a washed old fighter that had beaten another old washed fighter, which performance that is already meaningless be scored and registred in another teams rankings, which is even meaningless.

Meaningless bouts that going to be ranked with a meaningless team system, the meaningless of the meaningless, let me introduce you GFL.

The only good thing at GFL, is their generosity. Taking care of old men is sweet, but not wise.
Right now I think it's the only organization that is paying handsomely fighters on losing streaks.
Many described GFL as blind, foolish, stupid, and ignorant.

And you, what is your opinion ? We believe than only failure awaits.

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It's simple.

Tony Ferguson vs Kevin Lee II is going to garner much more attention and revenue than anything they could do with those two Russian dudes you listed. Investors are going to want their money back and they would wait longer to do so without names on the roster.

Also, everyone knows UFC is MMA's top brand. But that doesn't mean there can't be #2 or #3 organizations in the US that don't seek to be feeders to the UFC, despite what Luke Thomas tells you. Let's be honest, just having the UFC and the rest of the orgs as feeders would suck really bad. If you like that idea, I hope you like Mackenzie Dern vs Marina Rodriguez type of main events.
 
I actually loved the teams of IFL, but it takes a team a long time to develop its own strong fanbase (years), and IFL changed their teams. As will GFL... as they will.. lose fighters and get new coach/leaders in different states.

Teams work for the fighters in their progress as fighters as in PBR (bull riding) they learn from their teammates new tricks.

Some decent matchups are in GFL but I will not go out of my way to watch as sad to see these guys slow-up.

I also was a fan of the crazy mess of Hip Show where 2 fighters were in there fighting. A bit of a circus but they were teams. If that had developed more maybe we could have seen more teams acting in unison.

Right now GFL is a bit of a mess and many will watch because it is a mess, a circus. But it will keep changing its fighters and rules to figure itself out and people will leave as they were just beginning to understand and get into it when it changes. I will not bother to try to figure it out and just hope for a good fight every now and then.
 
They actually did sign Rudnev but then nobody drafted him.
 
Unfortunately, the general fan base of MMA could care less about no name up and comers and then add in a new org on top of it promoting them and it will be crickets.

These orgs don't have the money to saturate the MMA market with advertising to get people to care. So there only alternative is sign guys that have name value even if they are past there prime at piggy back that to draw eyes to your product.


MMA history shows good luck, to any MMA org.. When the UFC is pulling around 90% of the revenue MMA generates around the world and then your B leagues probably taking another 7 or 8% of the revenue these other orgs are simply dead on arrival. The best they can hope for is to get too that B level and that is treading water at best.
 
Bellator was known as retirement home and used to sign old post prime famous fighters until Cooker decided to stop signing old men and focus on the youth, the only future possible.

I will never watch any GFL events, unless they sign young elite prospects who could be the next big things. Right now it's just a C league not even a B league, and a C league of elders.

Old retired man vs washed up injured post prime man. The biggest fights of the century incoming ! No thanks, I will pass.
This joke will never be a serious competitor of the UFC.

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Bellator was known as retirement home and used to sign old post prime famous fighters until Cooker decided to stop signing old men and focus on the youth, the only future possible.
what are you talking about?

The Bjorn era Bellator was all about signing new young talent and having them fight it out in tournaments. Askren, Chandler, Dantas, Pitbull, Curran, Koreshkov, Frodo etc. etc.

Once Coker came in, Bellator started promoting shit like Shamrock vs Gracie.
 
what are you talking about?

The Bjorn era Bellator was all about signing new young talent and having them fight it out in tournaments. Askren, Chandler, Dantas, Pitbull, Curran, Koreshkov, Frodo etc. etc.

Once Coker came in, Bellator started promoting shit like Shamrock vs Gracie.
I was not able to find an article of Scott Coker, one where he was claiming that he would stop to sign old guys and focus on the youth like Aj Mckee. He also turned down signing Anderson Silva in another public release, and so many others but I lost the articles.

What Scott said, and what Scott did are not always the same thing though, you are not wrong he made his mistakes.
 
Bellator was known as retirement home and used to sign old post prime famous fighters until Cooker decided to stop signing old men and focus on the youth, the only future possible.

I will never watch any GFL events, unless they sign young elite prospects who could be the next big things. Right now it's just a C league not even a B league, and a C league of elders.

Old retired man vs washed up injured post prime man. The biggest fights of the century incoming ! No thanks, I will pass.
This joke will never be a serious competitor of the UFC.

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You would run an mma promotion into the ground within a year. Best you could hope for would be to sign on to Fight Pass and forever be a feeder for DWCS
 
You would run an mma promotion into the ground within a year. Best you could hope for would be to sign on to Fight Pass and forever be a feeder for DWCS
If I had a lot of money I would never try to be a big league first at all but a prospect factory, as a bridge to the big league. With diplomacy and strategy, I would never have too much ambition that I can't afford to carry on my shoulders.

But never sign yourself to be on the Fight Pass, you would condemn yourself and become a "whore" to the UFC, a slave.

If my prospects make it to the big league since I would release them and put them into comfortable position to do so, their success would be mine, since I would upload their highlights and old fights in my league to promote myself by them and them at the same time.

All you need is to find the right Shamil Musaev, the right Akbar Abdullaev like fighter.

Giving opportunities to all people from the world, there are talents everywhere, Europe, Africa, Asia.

Becoming a big league itself I understand you Leto, without burning cash would be a serious challenge to overcome who would need much more meticulous planning, strong corpos + states sponsored allies, raising investors to get funds, and of course putting half a foot in the shady world of money laundering.

The world is big yet small at the same time, but since MMA market worldwide is supposed to grow per 2,5 according to some in the next 40 years, I agree though that the blue print to be profitable as a big league will be a serious challenge to overcome.

The very least a wise man would do would be is to be the number one prospect factory, and the number one bridge to the big league and medium league (One, PFL, ACA, KSW).

I could at least make a list of fifty athletes who are interesting prospects, who for some are inactive, or just need to build a record with a few more wins with a small decent paychecks.

By studying the market, only ACA and KSW are stable with their finances for the next 10 years. One is making heavy money in Thailand despite being not yet profitable, and PFL is struggling too, can't tell much about GFL but I doubt the years will pass without them being in the red.

If I had a lot of money I would do small tournament, of 8 fighters. I would sign 4 cans, and 4 decent prospects, and make them fight every 2 months.

First turn, make the 4 cans fight each one of the 4 decent prospect. 90% chance the prospect will end up with a victory.
Second turn, prospect A1 vs prospect A2, and prospect B1 vs prospect B2.
Third turn final, winner of A1 vs A2 against winner of B1 vs B2.

With A BIT of machiavel's dna, I would pull the string to increase the odds of having an interesting final.
Imagine a Khotam Boynazarov (10-0, x1 Freestyle Wrestling World Champion Southpaw Left handed) vs a Vladyslav Rudniev (10-0, x5 Sambo World Champion Southpaw Left handed). This fight is more interesting than 80% of most fights of the big leagues to say the least. I can already see it by promoting it one month before the bout, SAMBO vs WRESTLING, Ukraine vs Uzbekistan, 10-0 vs 10-0, Battle of the undefeated, I will get in touch with local medias of their countries, and even pay a bit of money to small journalists to talk about it. Later on medium journalists will talk about it, and if victory occurs to one side, big national media are going to talk about it, since it's a belt, a champion that was crowned.

If you sign these prospects for a 3 fights contracts to finish the tournament, and make them fight once every two three months, I understand the need for logistic and accomodations, medics and advertisements, etc, yes there are cost.
You can release losers and the winner of the tournament later on. If draw then immediate rematch.

And most importantly the fighter pay :
10K and 20K for winner of the first bout, 35K 70K for the winner of the second bout, 50K 70K for the winner of the third bout (the final for the belt).

If you allow them to bring their own sponsors, you could reduce the price I've given or increase it a bit just as a possible example.

With only 330K dollars a tournament can be made. If you gain a good reputation, this could be attractive to all fighters worldwide who need to build the first stones of their careers.

You could make (optional) losers A1 vs loser B1 fight themselves, and winner get a title fight if the champion was not yet signed to the big league, and if he was make loser A1 and loser B1 fight for the title.

Things are of course more complex than that, and talk is cheap.

But to summarize my ideology for any new incoming organization :
1- Never try to compete with the big leagues, it would be the same as a baby trying to outrun men
2- Never sign yourself to be on the fight pass and end up a slave
3- Focus on young prospects and help them build a record, send them to the big league, their success will become yours.

I can stop dreaming tough, I will probably never be rich enough to run a small org, let alone a big one.
 
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But to summarize my ideology for any new incoming organization :
1- Never try to compete with the big leagues, it would be the same as a baby trying to outrun men
2- Never sign yourself to be on the fight pass and end up a slave
3- Focus on young prospects and help them build a record, send them to the big league, their success will become yours.


I can stop dreaming tough, I will probably never be rich enough to run a small org, let alone a big one.
Yeah, I wonder why investors wouldn't want to pump a ton of money into some feeder league.

Honestly bubba, just watch Contender Series, TUF, LFA, Invicta, Cage Warriors, whatever. They sound a lot like what you're describing without that gibberish you call tournament. Like you're okay with an org being a UFC feeder but it suddenly becomes an issue when they're on Fight Pass? That doesn't make any sense.

Besides, the UFC doesn't need more feeder leagues. Contender Series and TUF serve that purpose well enough on their own already.
 
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Yeah, I wonder why investors wouldn't want to pump a ton of money into some feeder league.

Honestly bubba, just watch Contender Series, TUF, LFA, Invicta, Cage Warriors, whatever. They sound a lot like what you're describing without that gibberish you call tournament. Like you're okay with an org being a UFC feeder but it suddenly becomes an issue when they're on Fight Pass? That doesn't make any sense.

Besides, the UFC doesn't need more feeder leagues. Contender Series and TUF serve that purpose well enough on their own already.
Fight Pass promotions are the feeders. DWCS and TUF are just the avenues to bring them up to “the show” to borrow a baseball term
 
If I had a lot of money I would never try to be a big league first at all but a prospect factory, as a bridge to the big league. With diplomacy and strategy, I would never have too much ambition that I can't afford to carry on my shoulders.

But never sign yourself to be on the Fight Pass, you would condemn yourself and become a "whore" to the UFC, a slave.

If my prospects make it to the big league since I would release them and put them into comfortable position to do so, their success would be mine, since I would upload their highlights and old fights in my league to promote myself by them and them at the same time.

All you need is to find the right Shamil Musaev, the right Akbar Abdullaev like fighter.

Giving opportunities to all people from the world, there are talents everywhere, Europe, Africa, Asia.

Becoming a big league itself I understand you Leto, without burning cash would be a serious challenge to overcome who would need much more meticulous planning, strong corpos + states sponsored allies, raising investors to get funds, and of course putting half a foot in the shady world of money laundering.

The world is big yet small at the same time, but since MMA market worldwide is supposed to grow per 2,5 according to some in the next 40 years, I agree though that the blue print to be profitable as a big league will be a serious challenge to overcome.

The very least a wise man would do would be is to be the number one prospect factory, and the number one bridge to the big league and medium league (One, PFL, ACA, KSW).

I could at least make a list of fifty athletes who are interesting prospects, who for some are inactive, or just need to build a record with a few more wins with a small decent paychecks.

By studying the market, only ACA and KSW are stable with their finances for the next 10 years. One is making heavy money in Thailand despite being not yet profitable, and PFL is struggling too, can't tell much about GFL but I doubt the years will pass without them being in the red.

If I had a lot of money I would do small tournament, of 8 fighters. I would sign 4 cans, and 4 decent prospects, and make them fight every 2 months.

First turn, make the 4 cans fight each one of the 4 decent prospect. 90% chance the prospect will end up with a victory.
Second turn, prospect A1 vs prospect A2, and prospect B1 vs prospect B2.
Third turn final, winner of A1 vs A2 against winner of B1 vs B2.

With A BIT of machiavel's dna, I would pull the string to increase the odds of having an interesting final.
Imagine a Khotam Boynazarov (10-0, x1 Freestyle Wrestling World Champion Southpaw Left handed) vs a Vladyslav Rudniev (10-0, x5 Sambo World Champion Southpaw Left handed). This fight is more interesting than 80% of most fights of the big leagues to say the least. I can already see it by promoting it one month before the bout, SAMBO vs WRESTLING, Ukraine vs Uzbekistan, 10-0 vs 10-0, Battle of the undefeated, I will get in touch with local medias of their countries, and even pay a bit of money to small journalists to talk about it. Later on medium journalists will talk about it, and if victory occurs to one side, big national media are going to talk about it, since it's a belt, a champion that was crowned.

If you sign these prospects for a 3 fights contracts to finish the tournament, and make them fight once every two three months, I understand the need for logistic and accomodations, medics and advertisements, etc, yes there are cost.
You can release losers and the winner of the tournament later on. If draw then immediate rematch.

And most importantly the fighter pay :
10K and 20K for winner of the first bout, 35K 70K for the winner of the second bout, 50K 70K for the winner of the third bout (the final for the belt).

If you allow them to bring their own sponsors, you could reduce the price I've given or increase it a bit just as a possible example.

With only 330K dollars a tournament can be made. If you gain a good reputation, this could be attractive to all fighters worldwide who need to build the first stones of their careers.

You could make (optional) losers A1 vs loser B1 fight themselves, and winner get a title fight if the champion was not yet signed to the big league, and if he was make loser A1 and loser B1 fight for the title.

Things are of course more complex than that, and talk is cheap.

But to summarize my ideology for any new incoming organization :
1- Never try to compete with the big leagues, it would be the same as a baby trying to outrun men
2- Never sign yourself to be on the fight pass and end up a slave
3- Focus on young prospects and help them build a record, send them to the big league, their success will become yours.

I can stop dreaming tough, I will probably never be rich enough to run a small org, let alone a big one.

The issue you'd have is a lot of these prospects don't want to fight each other because they're trying to make it to the bigger promotions.
 
Yeah, I wonder why investors wouldn't want to pump a ton of money into some feeder league.

Honestly bubba, just watch Contender Series, TUF, LFA, Invicta, Cage Warriors, whatever. They sound a lot like what you're describing without that gibberish you call tournament. Like you're okay with an org being a UFC feeder but it suddenly becomes an issue when they're on Fight Pass? That doesn't make any sense.

Besides, the UFC doesn't need more feeder leagues. Contender Series and TUF serve that purpose well enough on their own already.
The fight pass is slavery. Joining the fight pass means that you agree to never be a big league for the rest of your life and always be under the UFC. You start as a small org, but what if in the future you may aim to be a medium one or a big one ?Freedom and independance have no price.

You don't need a lot of investors even for a feeder league, just a big local crowd, gamblers and money launderers and corpo sponsors and you can make a one million dollars per event. Spending the half, and investing the half back. This has been done so many different time by so many different people.

Not a feeder to the UFC, but a feeder to all big leagues. That's a difference. And since you are a bridge, all prospects worldwide would want to sign with you to develop their records and since you will release them quickly, there will be no problem.

My tournament idea is not bad at all, I would rather see it than most of the cans in Contender Series.
Rudniev against Boynazarov would be like a Yaroslav Amosov against a Logan Storley, in fact better. A more valuable fight that you won't find in contender series at all. Boynazarov was a world champion in freestyle wrestling, and is left handed. His credential in wrestling are superior than a Kamaru Usman or a Colby Convington. Rudniev is a 5 6 Sambo world champion and is left handed, his credential are superior to a Yaroslav Amasov. This is perhaps the number one fwelterweight fight outside of the UFC that will never probably never happen if not in that tournament.

Contender series without an Islam Omarov, a Parnasse, an Edward Vartyan is not appealing even though there are good fighters there.

Cage Warriors, Invicta, LFA like organization ? Not at all. Brave and UAE warriors are closer to what I had in mind.

You can be profitable as a small organization with not a lot of money with the right moves. KSW is already very profitable in Poland and made a lot of money in Paris with Parnasse.

Let me tell you that tournament are not a bad thing, they prevent ducking despite having some cons and are more suitable than a top 10 when you are a small org, you don't have a top 10.

My intent was to never be a big organization at all but a small one first, with strong fundation and then expand as you grow to be a big one in 15 20 years becoming like an ACA or a KSW.

Your vision is the obvious, not the hidden. " No-one will outrun the UFC, no-one will beat the UFC, it's a monopoly, the game is rigged" We already know this, it was never being about beating the UFC or taking their number one place, MMA of today is a 80% monopoly of the UFC, but MMA of tomorrow will be an oligopoly, a more fair world to me that I hope so.

No need to argue anymore, I hope I was more clear. And let's focus on GFL's case.

Let's forget about it ok. Here is my humble opinion about GFL.
TO summarize it :

WHAT GFL IS DOING --> old can vs old can --> three years both old cans are retired and with them what was invested in them

WHAT GFL SHOULD BE DOING --> old can vs young prospect --> the old can draw a crowd since he is popular, the prospect build his reputation by beating the old legend at the same time and become a star --> three years later the prospect is still there

A much more suitable and profitable road.
 
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The issue you'd have is a lot of these prospects don't want to fight each other because they're trying to make it to the bigger promotions.
Not wrong about that. Prospects often avoid each others. But they won't avoid themselves in a tournament.

As they say, no risks no rewards. There is no perfect plan I guess.
 
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fans keep saying this, but fighters in the IFL said differently. I’ll trust the fighters
Ifl is dead.
Team MMA doesnt work
 
You’re not addressing the argument. Response disregarded
Team MMA sucks.
Prize fighting with a shared prize is WACK.
It dont make no sense to do it, and it dont make no sense to try and get people to pay for it.
Just another in a long line of "Gimmickry" that goes nowhere.

Thats why only down on their luck old guys would bother.
 
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How did you come up with Diego never training seriously
 
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