Why Was Gus Going For Takedowns?

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  1. DoUEvenLiftBro

    DoUEvenLiftBro Brown Belt

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    He got one early, but he did literally nothing with it. He wasn't going to be able to do anything to Jones even if he got more. It seemed like a waste of energy and energy was important for the fight. It wasn't a bluff either, since he had some openings to follow up the attempts with a strike, but he would reset.
     
  2. Break Brick

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    Instinct I guess
     
  3. trott

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    maybe he was tired of getting kicked in the face?
     
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    To break Jones' rhythm by giving him something to think about.
     
  5. countswagula

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    He just took the opportunities when they showed themseleves, I don't think he was actively looking for them.
     
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    To keep Jones guessing, worrying about TDs changes your stance and distance which can make you easier to hit.
     
  7. JoeHoganKush**

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    Because takedowns = points regardless if you do anything with it.
     
  8. Eddieg

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    It's a fight and every offensive maneuver can win you a round?
     
  9. Horse Meat

    Horse Meat Praise be Ditka. Amen.

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    Further prove that Jones is not the mythical beast that many have claimed him to be.

    Jones looked eerily human last night. (Contrary to his tee shirt)
     
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    Jones was worried about Gus's boxing, so Gus threw those in there.
    Maybe partly to break his rhythm, but also simply because the judges would score it for him. He didn't want to stay on the ground for too long.
     
  11. heavyarms21

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    This, also it was a mental thing and I think it really upped his confidence
     
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    ^This!
     
  13. lhx58

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    This
     
  14. T Hab

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    Gus played a brilliant gameplan. He's a better boxer than JBJ, but not better at anything else. He obviously watched a lot of tape on JBJ and threw everything at him to keep as much or the fight on the feet and to make sure that kicks weren't a big factor. In order to do that he:

    1) Went for the occasional takedown, meaning that JBJ had to keep his hands lower than ideal, opening up boxing, and also that JBJ couldn't close the distance too much and dominate in the clinch without risking being on his back.

    2) Caught kicks. Gustaffson aggressively caught kicks preventing JBJ from getting too fancy and aggressive with game-changing kicks that would allow him to dominate from distance

    3) Used every technique, from the sprawl to the turn-around and run, to prevent JBJ from putting him on his back (which worked until the 5th round).

    4) Closed distance on all spinning manoevres. There are only two ways to avoid a spinning back-fist, back-elbow, or back-kick: move away or move in. Most people move away, which allows Jones to throw as many as he likes with no risk. Gustaffson moved in and clinched, meaning they became high-risk for Jones. He caught him on one moving in, but the top of the head, as much as it bleeds, does not hurt as much as the jaw and has no chance of knocking out like the temple or chin.

    tl;dr: Gustaffson went for takedowns to lower JBJ's hands and as part of a series of moves to make most of the fight a boxing match, the only place where he had the clear advantage.
     
  15. Sporeborn

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    Indeed. This is mixed martial arts after all. In his post fight interview he said he was really proud of the fact he got Jones down, so maybe he wanted to get him down just to prove something to himself and everyone paying attention. But I honestly don't understand your question. I mean, why does anyone go for a takedown? Just because they can't necessarily do anything significant with it doesn't mean that it wasn't intent behind it. Also, Jones shot more than Gus and failed. Why are you not calling Jones out for it?
     
  16. CelticThunder

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    Because that is how you win in the UFC. It doesn't matter who wins the standup battle, if you can take your opponent down and lay on him. then you win. Unless the bigwigs in Vegas have already decided that they cannot pay out the money for a huge underdog. Then the favorite needs to win regardless.
     
  17. Kaffe

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    He always does that. No matter the opposition.
     
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    This. And points.
     
  19. CPH

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    Don't be ridiculous. If he wasn't better at anything else, he would be put on his back and finished before the 1st round was over. Jones' wrestling was completely neutralized and Gus was having his way standing until the end of the 4th - that amounts to being better at MMA.
     
  20. T Hab

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    Being better at MMA doesn't mean being better at every facet of MMA. He used every trick in his toolbox to bring a huge amount of the fight to where he had the biggest advantage: boxing. He also obviously practised every technique he could to neutralize Jones' biggest strengths: takedowns, spinning strikes, kicks, and straight elbows. His game plan was better than Jones', and the fight was brilliantly close!
     

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