Why turn down a fight on short notice?U had a full camp and your opponent 2 days to make weight...

[bjjwar]

I don't really get why top guys turn down fights on short notice. They'll get paid more to take the fight and they'll have the best advantage possible over their opponent who isn't even training and basically will be fat and die to make weight for the fight.
-0 cardio
-0 preparation for the opponent
-terrible shape and fatigued of making weight in short notice
-no drills, no special wrestling,bjj,striking adjustments

This is the best and easiest opportunity ever for Ortega to fight Stephens. Yes, there is always a risk, but its the lowest possible he'll ever have facing Stephens. Stephens is the one risking it all, having 0 preparation for his opponent, no time to adjust anything or do any cardio and didn't prepare making weight either. So why do people always talk how the full camp fighter is the "victim" while their opponent are in the worst possible shape and lowest they could ever be?

 

[Rockapotomuss]

They think winning the belt is more important than name recognition. No Diaz ever won a belt. Germaine de Randamie won a belt. Who did better?

 

[The Mookster]

Agreed 100%

And now he crying bc he didnt get paid. I legit can never be a fan if this roid cheat.

 

[fishNjits]

they'll have the best advantage possible over their opponent who isn't even training and basically will be fat and die to make weight for the fight.
-0 cardio
-0 preparation for the opponent
-terrible shape and fatigued of making weight in short notice
-no drills, no special wrestling,bjj,striking adjustments

So why do people always talk how the full camp fighter is the "victim" while their opponent are in the worst possible shape and lowest they could ever be?

Nate Diaz stopped by to say "hello."

 

[chinarice]

Because everyone in MMA is always 1 loss away from being "overrated" or "never was that good".

 

[Shaddows]

I don't really get why top guys turn down fights on short notice. They'll get paid more to take the fight and they'll have the best advantage possible over their opponent who isn't even training and basically will be fat and die to make weight for the fight.
-0 cardio
-0 preparation for the opponent
-terrible shape and fatigued of making weight in short notice
-no drills, no special wrestling,bjj,striking adjustments

This is the best and easiest opportunity ever for Ortega to fight Stephens. Yes, there is always a risk, but its the lowest possible he'll ever have facing Stephens. Stephens is the one risking it all, having 0 preparation for his opponent, no time to adjust anything or do any cardio and didn't prepare making weight either. So why do people always talk how the full camp fighter is the "victim" while their opponent are in the worst possible shape and lowest they could ever be?

That's a load of BS and you know it.
The point here is that it opens the door for what Yakuza was doing at Pride:

UFC gets fighter A training for a striker (Fighter B).
Days before the fight, Fighter B is out.
Meanwhile. UFC told a wrestler (fighter C) to prepare for someone like Fighter A.
Now UFC forces Fighter A to fight Fighter C, on short notice or he does not get paid. Now fighter A needs to think about the money he already spent on his training camp, sparring partners, dietician, maybe products for weight cut, etc. He also has the pressure of the public opinion, since UFC is not shy to use it against those fighters (and worse, people like you agree with them without any consideration for fighter A).
That's not even counting that if he loses, he will drop in rankings and probably not incur any favors from the UFC (who already did fire some fighters who took those short notice fights on and lost).

This should NEVER be allowed or be the norm.

Fighter A prepared to fight Fighter B.
If Fighter B cannot make it, it should be entirely Fighter's A choice to fight someone else or not. Either way, he should get paid (or at least have all his expenses with camp paid and a new fight booked ASAP).

 

[chitoortiz]

I don't really get why top guys turn down fights on short notice. They'll get paid more to take the fight and they'll have the best advantage possible over their opponent who isn't even training and basically will be fat and die to make weight for the fight.
-0 cardio
-0 preparation for the opponent
-terrible shape and fatigued of making weight in short notice
-no drills, no special wrestling,bjj,striking adjustments

This is the best and easiest opportunity ever for Ortega to fight Stephens. Yes, there is always a risk, but its the lowest possible he'll ever have facing Stephens. Stephens is the one risking it all, having 0 preparation for his opponent, no time to adjust anything or do any cardio and didn't prepare making weight either. So why do people always talk how the full camp fighter is the "victim" while their opponent are in the worst possible shape and lowest they could ever be?

Stephens is fighting in a few weeks.

He's probably almost done his fight camp.

He would have cardio, he would be in shape.

It's not like, they're just pulling an out of shape Stephens off his couch and getting him to fight.

 

[Dogo1]

I don't really get why top guys turn down fights on short notice. They'll get paid more to take the fight and they'll have the best advantage possible over their opponent who isn't even training and basically will be fat and die to make weight for the fight.
-0 cardio
-0 preparation for the opponent
-terrible shape and fatigued of making weight in short notice
-no drills, no special wrestling,bjj,striking adjustments

This is the best and easiest opportunity ever for Ortega to fight Stephens. Yes, there is always a risk, but its the lowest possible he'll ever have facing Stephens. Stephens is the one risking it all, having 0 preparation for his opponent, no time to adjust anything or do any cardio and didn't prepare making weight either. So why do people always talk how the full camp fighter is the "victim" while their opponent are in the worst possible shape and lowest they could ever be?

How do you know they get paid more to take the fight? When Khabib pulled out didn't they offer Ferg less $$$ to fight someone else?

 

[Dogo1]

Stephens is fighting in a few weeks.

He's probably almost done his fight camp.

He would have cardio, he would be in shape.

It's not like, they're just pulling an out of shape Stephens off his couch and getting him to fight.

Totally different than MecGregor Diaz 1 (a fight in which taking the replacement didn't work out so good, unless your Diaz)

 

[Dirge]

I don't get it either frankly. Ortega would have easily beaten Stephens and likely finished him picking up a bonus

Normally i side with fighters in these scenarios but this one is inexplicable

 

[Rikishii]

I don't really get why top guys turn down fights on short notice. They'll get paid more to take the fight and they'll have the best advantage possible over their opponent who isn't even training and basically will be fat and die to make weight for the fight.
-0 cardio
-0 preparation for the opponent
-terrible shape and fatigued of making weight in short notice
-no drills, no special wrestling,bjj,striking adjustments

This is the best and easiest opportunity ever for Ortega to fight Stephens. Yes, there is always a risk, but its the lowest possible he'll ever have facing Stephens. Stephens is the one risking it all, having 0 preparation for his opponent, no time to adjust anything or do any cardio and didn't prepare making weight either. So why do people always talk how the full camp fighter is the "victim" while their opponent are in the worst possible shape and lowest they could ever be?

Ortega knew that his striking is such utter shit that Stephen's would ko him. His usual plan of eating strikes until a sub appears would not work against stephens. He's too powerful and would have exposed Ortega badly.

 

[chitoortiz]

I don't get it either frankly. Ortega would have easily beaten Stephens and likely finished him picking up a bonus

Normally i side with fighters in these scenarios but this one is inexplicable

Stephens can end a fight in one punch.

Sure Ortega probably wins, but one mistake against a guy like Little Heathen and it's light out.

 

[moogie101]

Because its a business and changing opponents at such short notice is bs.

Been enough times where a late replacement gets the upset win to make it too dangerous an option when on the verge of a title shot.

 

[Rikishii]

I don't get it either frankly. Ortega would have easily beaten Stephens and likely finished him picking up a bonus

Normally i side with fighters in these scenarios but this one is inexplicable

What? How can you actually think this? The fight would never go to the ground. And stephens is on another level on the feet. In fact Ortega s striking has been utter shit except for the Frankie fluke. Come on man. This would have looked like mia vs marquardt

 

[Melas Chasma]

They think winning the belt is more important than name recognition. No Diaz ever won a belt. Germaine de Randamie won a belt. Who did better?

Diaz.

 

[Dirge]

Stephens can end a fight in one punch.

Sure Ortega probably wins, but one mistake against a guy like Little Heathen and it's light out.

How many top 10 guys has Stephens ko'd?

RDA 10 years ago is his biggest ko win to date and Ortega has a granite chin.

Bermudez was ranked 10th when they fought.

Stephens is a solid journeyman top 10 guy but he loses to Ortega easily

 

[cshireman4]

They think winning the belt is more important than name recognition. No Diaz ever won a belt. Germaine de Randamie won a belt. Who did better?

So much correlation between the men's LW, WW, MW divisions and women's 145, right? Nate was making 14k/14k before the Conor fight, so please elaborate on "doing better".

 

[chitoortiz]

How many top 10 guys has Stephens ko'd?

RDA 10 years ago is his biggest ko win to date and Ortega has a granite chin.

Bermudez was ranked 10th when they fought.

Stephens is a solid journeyman top 10 guy but he loses to Ortega easily

OK you don't get it.

What I'm saying is Stephens has KO'd several fighters. He has the CAPABILITY of ending a fight on one punch.

All Ortega has to do is slip up ONCE, and Stephens can end this fight.

Odds are that T-City will obviously win, but with an opponent like Stephens, there is risk involved.

 

[Amersfoort]

Some guys are always ready.

 

[awymore]

That's a load of BS and you know it.
The point here is that it opens the door for what Yakuza was doing at Pride:

UFC gets fighter A training for a striker (Fighter B).
Days before the fight, Fighter B is out.
Meanwhile. UFC told a wrestler (fighter C) to prepare for someone like Fighter A.
Now UFC forces Fighter A to fight Fighter C, on short notice or he does not get paid... despite wasting money in training camp, etc.

This should NEVER be allowed or be the norm.

Fighter A prepared to fight Fighter B.
If Fighter B cannot make it, it should be Fighter's A choice to fight someone else or not. Either way, he should get paid (or at least have all his expenses with camp paid and a new fight booked ASAP).

I could see how this could be abused by an organization as you well illustrated. But if the option was there to not fight and still get paid, why would anyone choose to fight? They could just collect the pay and hop on the next card for a double pay day. Also, this seems to be the only sport that requires months of preparation for a particular opponent. Tennis players find out who they are playing next with 24 to 48 hours notice. Basketball, baseball, football, and hockey all have playoff formats that leave a very small window for preparation for the next opponent (minus the Super Bowl where you get an extra week to prepare).

 

[submerged88]

Because I'm sure it's not in their contract they have to fight another late replacement fighter. If so, then fighters would expect it.
Ortega could do like weidman or gus and just wait on the sidings til a title shot is there