Why there's this "rule" that poor people can't support the right wing ?

[dontlaugh]

I am really curious, often i see discussions where poor people are oppressed as fuck (not here on Sherdog, mostly on Facebook and Youtube) for supporting any right wing politics. When i question why that happens, they act as if it's unthinkable to see lower class supporting right wing or conservatism tendencies.

Could somebody please explain to me why this happens ? Does it really make sense that the lower class can't have it's own independent thinking and choose what's best for everybody be it on the left or the right wing of the spectrum ? How could the right wing be so bad for those on the lower classes ?

 

[dfoster]

I've met poor rural people who are right wing. It seems the closer you are to nature, the more you rely on yourself.

The more you live in an urban/crowded area the more you rely on the gov because sometimes that's ALL you can do.

For example, if you're in a rural area and you see a pile of trash in the middle of the street, you'd probably get your pick up truck and shovel and clean it up yourself. You might not even say a word to anyone else. It seems like the right thing to do. But if you live in an urban area, you can't do it without getting in trouble with the law and everyone else around you. So you have to be good at contacting/petitioning the power that be to get it done. Pretty soon, these urban people think through this lens. And also the more crowded the more pressure to get along and tolerate ect..

 

[KONE]

Leftists unleash some of their most vile behavior against people who they think should be on "their side" that dare hold a different opinion than them. It's not just limited to poor people, the same women and minorities they are supposedly advocates for are treated like shit and belittled for it all the time. There are so many instances of black right wingers getting called uncle toms and "s" by leftists that it's gotten hard to keep track

Funnily enough there's a video that showcases pretty much all of this

 

[Rusk]

I've met poor rural people who are right wing. It seems the closer you are to nature, the more you rely on yourself.

The more you live in an urban/crowded area the more you rely on the gov because sometimes that's ALL you can do.

Nah, maybe it is an american thing but not universal.

Finnmark is probably most empty and close to nature place in Norway yet they are the most left-wing.

In Russia probably 99% of right-wingers are in big cities.

 

[dontlaugh]

I've met poor rural people who are right wing. It seems the closer you are to nature, the more you rely on yourself.

The more you live in an urban/crowded area the more you rely on the gov because sometimes that's ALL you can do.

For example, if you're in a rural area and you see a pile of trash in the middle of the street, you'd probably get your pick up truck and shovel and clean it up yourself. You might not even say a word to anyone else. It seems like the right thing to do. But if you live in an urban area, you can't do it without getting in trouble with the law and everyone else around you. So you have to be good at contacting/petitioning the power that be to get it done. Pretty soon, these urban people think through this lens. And also the more crowded the more pressure to get along and tolerate ect..

I see... so is more like a peer pressure thing ? i know that we have to rely more on gov in urban areas, but those things have a limit i guess...ther's so much we can be expecting from them, the rest is on us. It seems they just want to sit back and be handed everything they wish for...

 

[dfoster]

Nah, maybe it is an american thing but not universal.

Finnmark is probably most empty and close to nature place in Norway yet they are the most left-wing.

In Russia probably 99% of right-wingers are in big cities.

interesting

 

[dontlaugh]

Leftists unleash some of their most vile behavior against people who they think should be on "their side" that dare hold a different opinion than them. It's not just limited to poor people, the same women and minorities they are supposedly advocates for are treated like shit and belittled for it all the time. There are so many instances of black right wingers getting called uncle toms and "" by leftists that it's gotten hard to keep track

Funnily enough there's a video that showcases pretty much all of this

Hmmm, so basically, you can be part of minorities as long as you agree with them ? Lol

I always though people, as individuals, would be free to have their own mindset about those things and think less "in group" for that kind of decision. I sincerely don't see how anything from the right would be bad for those on lower classes, it seems they want poor people to be feeling incapable and helpless all the time. In case they want to bust their asses to get someting better, they face oppression... I hate that, putting people down as if lower classes already don't work their asses off. they deserve and can get better.

 

[dontlaugh]

Nah, maybe it is an american thing but not universal.

Finnmark is probably most empty and close to nature place in Norway yet they are the most left-wing.

In Russia probably 99% of right-wingers are in big cities.

wow....

Could it be because the communism/socialism idea works well in smaller scales ? those rural areas must be good examples of it having a degree of success

 

[dfoster]

I see... so is more like a peer pressure thing ? i know that we have to rely more on gov in urban areas, but those things have a limit i guess...ther's so much we can be expecting from them, the rest is on us. It seems they just want to sit back and be handed everything they wish for...

I think it's a necessity thing.

for example, there are lot that come into existence in a big crowded area: money, jobs, wages, ect...then there comes the concept of 'fairness' and who get favored and who get oppressed.

If you live by yourself in a rural area, it's hard to get oppressed because there's no one to oppress you. Then you don't care much about fairness either. For example, some other carpenter across town charges his client more than you do, you'd say "good for him". You don't feel like there's a lot of unfairness from it because he's 100% in control of what people pay him and so are you. So you are 100% capable of changing your wages. It's self reliance.

 

[dontlaugh]

I think it's a necessity thing.

for example, there are lot that come into existence in a big crowded area: money, jobs, wages, ect...then there comes the concept of 'fairness' and who get favored and who get oppressed.

If you live by yourself in a rural area, it's hard to get oppressed because there's no one to oppress you. Then you don't care much about fairness either. For example, some other carpenter across town charges his client more than you do, you'd say "good for him". You don't feel like there's a lot of unfairness from it because he's 100% in control of what people pay him and so are you. So you are 100% capable of changing your wages. It's self reliance.

I see. So that self reliance changes once you're in the urban area cause is not only your decision that's into play and you'll be affected by what others do, right ?

And then maybe it creates the "it's unfair to me" feeling ?

 

[Rusk]

wow....

Could it be because the communism/socialism idea works well in smaller scales ? those rural areas must be good examples of it having a degree of success

Well i lived in Far-North for a year. There were snowstorms 3 times a week. If it weren't for tractors that were cleaning the roads almost 24/7, or an Airport with helicopters that would get you to hospital in case of emergency, or a social benefits that would pay people when they lose their jobs (many oil workers actually lost their job when i was there)... these places would be hell to live in.

As for Russia, people in the city simply got more resources and can say fuck off to Putin, while people in villages are almost on their knees begging government to come in and fix their roads, eliminate small criminals, fix energy and hot water etc.

 

[dontlaugh]

Well i lived in Far-North for a year. There were snowstorms 3 times a week. If it weren't for tractors that were cleaning the roads almost 24/7, or an Airport with helicopters that would get you to hospital in case of emergency, or a social benefits that would pay people when they lose their jobs (many oil workers actually lost their job when i was there)... these places would be hell to live in.

As for Russia, people in the city simply got more resources and can say fuck off to Putin, while people in villages are almost on their knees begging government to come in and fix their roads, eliminate small criminals, fix energy and hot water etc.

So it is necessity then...

It might create a big conflict of interests...interesting to see how the left wing in Russia is on the rural areas, since in most western countries is almost the complete opposite.

 

[dfoster]

I see. So that self reliance changes once you're in the urban area cause is not only your decision that's into play and you'll be affected by what others do, right ?

And then maybe it creates the "it's unfair to me" feeling ?

yeah, you feel too connected to the system/crowd. Not only you see yourself thru them, you think like them. You can't act without them, you can't even have your self worth without them cause they're everywhere.

Back to the rural example, if you're at fat farmer living by yourself in the middle of no where, you don't give a fuck. But if you're a fat guy living in a downtown apartment, having to ride the bus to school and work everyday and being treated poorly by many people, you'd feel victimized and might be inclined to change it, thru the power that be . Because you feel like you're too much a part of the system, the only way to change is changing the system, by protesting or petition for legislation (power that be) against fat discrimination, ect.

 

[dfoster]

Well i lived in Far-North for a year. There were snowstorms 3 times a week. If it weren't for tractors that were cleaning the roads almost 24/7, or an Airport with helicopters that would get you to hospital in case of emergency, or a social benefits that would pay people when they lose their jobs (many oil workers actually lost their job when i was there)... these places would be hell to live in.

As for Russia, people in the city simply got more resources and can say fuck off to Putin, while people in villages are almost on their knees begging government to come in and fix their roads, eliminate small criminals, fix energy and hot water etc.

very interesting. I think we have these poor rural people in America too, but really really poor though

Take it down to another level... I spend some time with homeless people. ... There seems to be 2 kinds of homeless people: the dependent type and the really independent type. Almost the opposite of each other...

 

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Working class people would be far poorer with a left wing government chasing away their prospective employers and excessively taxing those lucky enough to retain employment.

 

[dontlaugh]

Working class people would be far poorer with a left wing government chasing away their prospective employers and excessively taxing those lucky enough to retain employment.

Brazil, Thailand, Burma, Cuba, Venezuela, Argentina and many other third world countries in a nutshell