Why there is no need for a 225 lbs weight class

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  1. StopDucking

    StopDucking Ronda Rousey hater

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    "It's unfair: 206 lbs HWs have to compete against 265 lbs HWs!"

    People who weigh 206 lbs don't fight at HW. They don't even fight at LHW. They fight at MW. Fighters like Anthony Johnson who weigh 230 lbs have no problem cutting 25 lbs to fight at 205. There are 125ers like Ian Mccall who cut just as much. People who happen to weigh 235 lbs can easily lose 5 lbs by skipping a meal and taking a piss before cutting to LHW. That's why only those who weigh 240+ lbs actually fight at HW.

    "Okay but 240ers have to compete against people who cut to 265 lbs!"

    A 240 lbs person has no right to complain about his opponent being too big. 240 lbs is the optimal weigh for a HW. The best HWs in the world like Miocic, Werdum, JDS and Cain all weigh 240 lbs. The best HW boxers are 230-250 lbs. Even the best HW wrestler (Taha Akgül) is estimated to be in the 240's. Once you reach a certain weight, size is no longer an advantage. A 150er might stand no chance against a 250er but a 250er can handle a 350er just fine.
     
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  2. CorporateTool

    CorporateTool Blue Belt

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    Im assuming you forgot the word 'no' in your thread title as its contradictory to your entire thesis.
     
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  3. StopDucking

    StopDucking Ronda Rousey hater

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    I'm assuming you jumped on it immediately and didn't notice the edit.
     
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    Call it LBNSLW


     
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  5. artisabang

    artisabang Green Belt

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    Weight is overrated.
     
  6. CorporateTool

    CorporateTool Blue Belt

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    I am puttering around sherdog at 7 am my time. I obviously don't have much else going on.

    Regardless you make solid points. I think a 225 lb weight division would only be necessary in a world with far less extreme weight cuts.
     
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    Wut about a 165 div and change 170 to 175 ?
     
  8. Woliwo

    Woliwo Brown Belt

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    225 weightclass is such a dumb idea.
    Why making 2 shallow weightclasses even more shallow?
    Only change I want is changing HW to SHW.
    IMO it's just dumb that fighters like Struve should need to cut weight before the fight.
     
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    I knew everything you were going to say. My opinion is not changed. In a perfect world there would be more fighters and a deeper talent pool. In this perfect world there would be a 225 or 230lbs division so that I can see guys like jones and Forrest at their optimal size and potentially competing against small heavyweights. In my perfect world heavyweight would have no upper limit. There would also be one fewer division: 130, 145, 160, 175, 195, 225, unlimited HW

    In the real world with relatively shallow lhw and hw divisions and virtually no chance of restructuring all weight classes, I do not want a 225lbs division. I do still want the upper limit removed from hw, though.
     
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  10. machina1

    machina1 Orange Belt

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    A got your points TS but what if...

    <205 LHW
    205-225 HW
    225> no limit SHW

    But I like the way it is now, maybe no limit rule to the HWs would be good.
     
  11. Merman

    Merman Brown Belt

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    I can't wait for women's HW division!
     
  12. BigMuffler

    BigMuffler Loli is love loli is life!

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    Obligatory -



    Mitrione def. Fedor by TKO (leg kicks)!
     
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    It's coming man...
     
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  15. BigMuffler

    BigMuffler Loli is love loli is life!

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    Randy was a super tiny HW, Cain is a small HW and handled Brock fine.
     
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    LOL!! look at Randy's face...he's about to fight a fucking monster and he doesn't give a fuck. Randy had balls man.
     
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    Does this argument support your thesis? You make it sound like we need an additional weight class to protect the lumbering 300 pounders from the wicked 240ers.
     
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    TS said there are no super tiny HWs.
     
  19. BigMuffler

    BigMuffler Loli is love loli is life!

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    There aren't any who are forced to fight at HW, but there are some who choose to with varying results. Randy actually did well for the most part until he was old, not too many 220 lbers would choose to try these days though.
     
  20. StopDucking

    StopDucking Ronda Rousey hater

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    At 240 lbs and beyond, it's all about skill, not size. Bigger doesn't mean better but it doesn't necessary mean worse either.
     

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