Why support Trump? Study/Dunning-Kruger effect points to inability to realize one's own stupidity

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In short:

*The most misinformed political participants are conversely most confident in their knowledge
*The intellectual inability to grasp complex policy often coincides with inability to realize one's own lack of ability
*Therefore, stupid people are too stupid to realize that they are stupid
*Low-information voters more likely to support figures who pander to their lack of understanding
*Said pandering figures help validate the stupid persons' delusions of understanding
*~90% of Donald Trump's public declarations are false
*Much of the remaining 10% are still extremely short-sighted
*Supporters do not care because investment in bravado displaces conception of substantive policy

The problem isn’t that voters are too uninformed. It is that they don’t know just how uninformed they are.

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Psychological research suggests that people, in general, suffer from what has become known as the Dunning-Kruger Effect. They have little insight about the cracks and holes in their expertise. In studies in my research lab, people with severe gaps in knowledge and expertise typically fail to recognize how little they know and how badly they perform. To sum it up, the knowledge and intelligence that are required to be good at a task are often the same qualities needed to recognize that one is not good at that task—and if one lacks such knowledge and intelligence, one remains ignorant that one is not good at that task. This includes political judgment.

We have found this pattern in logical reasoning, grammar, emotional intelligence, financial literacy, numeracy, firearm care and safety, debate skill, and college coursework. Others have found a similar lack of insight among poor chess players, unskilled medical lab technicians, medical students unsuccessfully completing an obstetrics/gynecology rotation, and people failing a test on performing CPR.

This syndrome may well be the keyto the Trump voter—and perhaps even to the man himself. Trump has served up numerous illustrative examples of the effect as he continues his confident audition to be leader of the free world even as he seems to lack crucial information about the job. In a December debate he appeared ignorant of what the nuclear triad is. Elsewhere, he has mused that Japan and South Korea should develop their own nuclear weapons—casually reversing decades of U.S. foreign policy.

Many commentators have pointed to these confident missteps as products of Trump’s alleged narcissism and egotism. My take would be that it's the other way around. Not seeing the mistakes for what they are allows any potential narcissism and egotism to expand unchecked.

In voters, lack of expertise would be lamentable but perhaps not so worrisome if people had some sense of how imperfect their civic knowledge is. If they did, they could repair it. But the Dunning-Kruger Effect suggests something different. It suggests that some voters, especially those facing significant distress in their life, might like some of what they hear from Trump, but they do not know enough to hold him accountable for the serious gaffes he makes. They fail to recognize those gaffes as missteps.

Here is more evidence. In a telling series of experiments, Paul Fernbach and colleagues asked political partisans to rate their understanding of various social policies, such as imposing sanctions on Iran, instituting a flat tax, or establishing a single-payer health system.

Survey takers expressed a good deal of confidence about their expertise. Or rather, they did until researchers put that understanding to the test by asking them to describe in detail the mechanics of two of the policies under question. This challenge led survey takers to realize that their understanding was mostly an illusion. It also led them to moderate their stances about those policies and to donate less money, earned in the experiment, to like-minded political advocacy groups.

Again, the key to the Dunning-Kruger Effect is not that unknowledgeable voters are uninformed; it is that they are often misinformed—their heads filled with false data, facts and theories that can lead to misguided conclusions held with tenacious confidence and extreme partisanship, perhaps some that make them nod in agreement with Trump at his rallies.

Trump himself also exemplifies this exact pattern, showing how the Dunning-Kruger Effect can lead to what seems an indomitable sense of certainty. All it takes is not knowing the point at which the proper application of a sensible idea turns into malpractice.

For example, in a CNBC interview, Trump suggested that the U.S. government debt could easily be reduced by asking federal bondholders to “take a haircut,” agreeing to receive a little less than the bond’s full face value if the U.S. economy ran into trouble. In a sense, this is a sensible idea commonly applied—at least in business, where companies commonly renegotiate the terms of their debt.

But stretching it to governmental finance strains reason beyond acceptability. And in his suggestion, Trump illustrated not knowing the horror show of consequences his seemingly modest proposal would produce. For the U.S. government, his suggestion would produce no less than an unprecedented earthquake in world finance. It would represent the de facto default of the U.S. on its debt—and the U.S. government has paid its debt in full since the time of Alexander Hamilton. The certainty and safety imbued in U.S. Treasury bonds is the bedrock upon which much of world finance rests.

Even suggesting that these bonds pay back less than 100 percent would be cause for future buyers to demand higher interest rates, thus costing the U.S. government, and taxpayer, untold millions of dollars, and risking the health of the American economy.

This misinformation problem can live in voters, too, as shown in a 2015 survey about the proposed Common Core standards for education. A full 41 percent claimed the new standards would prompt more frequent testing within California schools. That was untrue. Only 18 percent accurately stated that the level of testing would stay the same. Further, 35 percent mistakenly asserted that the standards went beyond math and English instruction. Only 28 percent correctly reported that the standards were constrained to those two topics. And 34 percent falsely claimed that the federal government would require California to adopt the Common Core. Only 21 percent accurately understood this was not so.

But what is more interesting—and troubling—were the responses of survey takers who claimed they knew “a lot” about the new standards. What these “informed” citizens “knew” trended toward the false rather than the true. For example, 52 percent thought the standards applied beyond math and English (versus 32 percent who got it right). And 57 percent believed the standards mandated more testing (versus 31 percent who correctly understood that it did not). These misconceptions mattered: To the extent that survey takers endorsed these misconceptions, they opposed the Common Core.

My research colleagues and I have found similar evidence that voters who think they are informed may be carrying a good deal of misinformation in their heads. In an unpublished study, we surveyed people the day after the 2014 midterm elections, asking them whether they had voted. Our key question was who was most likely to have voted: informed, uninformed, or misinformed citizens.

We found that voting was strongly tied to one thing—whether those who took the survey thought of themselves as “well-informed” citizens. But perceiving oneself as informed was not necessarily tied to, um, being well-informed.

To be sure, well-informed voters accurately endorsed true statements about economic and social conditions in the U.S.—just as long as those statements agreed with their politics. Conservatives truthfully claimed that the U.S. poverty rate had gone up during the Obama administration; liberals rightfully asserted that the unemployment rate had dropped.

But both groups also endorsed falsehoods agreeable to their politics. Thus, all told, it was the political lean of the fact that mattered much more than its truth-value in determining whether respondents believed it. And endorsing partisan facts both true and false led to perceptions that one was an informed citizen, and then to a greater likelihood of voting.

Given all this misinformation, confidently held, it is no wonder that Trump causes no outrage or scandal among those voters who find his views congenial.

But why now? If voters can be so misinformed that they don’t know that they are misinformed, why only now has a candidate like Trump arisen? My take is that the conditions for the Trump phenomenon have been in place for a long time. At least as long as quantitative survey data have been collected, citizens have shown themselves to be relatively ill-informed and incoherent on political and historical matters. As way back as 1943, a survey revealed that only 25 percent of college freshmen knew that Abraham Lincoln was president during the Civil War.

All it took was a candidate to come along too inexperienced to avoid making policy gaffes, at least gaffes that violate received wisdom, with voters too uninformed to see the violations. Usually, those candidates make their mistakes off in some youthful election to their state legislature, or in small-town mayoral race or contest for class president. It’s not a surprise that someone trying out a brand new career at the presidential level would make gaffes that voters, in a rebellious mood, would forgive but more likely not even see.


As such, if we find ourselves worried about the apparent gullibility of the Trump voter, which may be flamboyant and obvious, we should surely worry about our own naive political opinions that are likely to be more nuanced, subtle, and invisible—but perhaps no less consequential. We all run the risk of being too ill-informed to notice when our own favored candidates or national leaders make catastrophic misjudgments
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To be sure, I don’t wish to leave the reader with a fatal hesitation about supporting any candidate. All I am saying is trust, but verify.

Thomas Jefferson once observed that “if a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." The Trump phenomenon makes visible something that has been true for quite some time now. As a citizenry, we can be massively ill-informed. Yet, our society remains relatively free.

How have we managed so far to maintain what Jefferson suggested could never be? And how do we ensure this miracle of democracy continues? This is the real issue. And it will be with us far after the Trumpian political revolution or reality TV spectacle, depending on how you see it, has long flickered off the electronic screens of our cultural theater.



http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/donald-trump-supporters-dunning-kruger-effect-213904
 
So this hasn't been true of any other election or any other opinion or issue until just this year, and just with Trump's campaign, and isn't also the case with supporters of every other candidate? Sounds legit, keep that hope and change coming.
 
In short:

*The most misinformed political participants are conversely most confident in their knowledge
*The intellectual inability to grasp complex policy often coincides with inability to realize one's own lack of ability
*Therefore, stupid people are too stupid to realize that they are stupid
*Low-information voters more likely to support figures who pander to their lack of understanding
*Said pandering figures help validate the stupid persons' delusions of understanding
*~90% of Donald Trump's public declarations are false
*Much of the remaining 10% are still extremely short-sighted
*Supporters do not care because investment in bravado displaces conception of substantive policy





http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/donald-trump-supporters-dunning-kruger-effect-213904
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So this hasn't been true of any other election or any other opinion or issue until just this year, and just with Trump's campaign, and isn't also the case with supporters of every other candidate? Sounds legit, keep that hope and change coming.

I don't support Obama. But good job giving away the breadth of your political acumen. It's hilarious that the US has two parties center or center-right and yet they believe those two corporately owned parties represent the entire spectrum of political thought.

Anyways, no, there hasn't been a major candidate like Trump whose declarations are so overwhelmingly nonfactual. The closest to Trump 90%-not-true record were Ben Carson at 80% and, I believe, 2012 Michele Bachman at around 70%. It's not surprise that these are also Republican candidates. While the Democrats are similarly corrupt, there is no denying that Republican voters are considerably more moronic.
 
He's the current president, dipshit, so obviously a ton of people voted for him, many of whom did so emphatically. I could give a rat's ass whether you were one of them or not.

Funny how you've decided you're the political master of the universe, and that those who disagree with you are "more moronic". You might want to read your own article there, sport.

So, you respond to every person who disagrees with you, or is otherwise smarter than you, with the assumption that they supported Barack Obama? Within the American two-party framework, that's fairly astute of you, but your approach marginalizes an entire faction of persons who do not exclusively identify within said framework.

I can now in good faith presume that every dumb person in American political discourse supports Trump because "obviously a ton of people voted for him." Got it.
 
So, you respond to every person who disagrees with you, or is otherwise smarter than you, with the assumption that they supported Barack Obama? Within the American two-party framework, that's fairly astute of you, but your approach marginalizes an entire faction of persons who do not exclusively identify within said framework.

I can now in good faith presume that every dumb person in American political discourse supports Trump because "obviously a ton of people voted for him." Got it.
What the fuck are you talking about? You really should at least learn to read before going on about how smart you are. I did not say in my first post that you voted for Obama, and even clarified that in the second post.

Let's refresh what happened here: You posted your little article claiming that Trump has support because voters don't know how stupid they are, to which I asked why this only applies to Trump and not the Obama mania from the last elections, or every other election, including other candidates in this one, to which you got defensive and started telling me how smart you are and that you didn't vote for Obama, as if I ever said you did.

Holy shit, there is nothing worse than a smug retard, and I wish you could understand the irony of this conversation happening on the same page as you posting article about people being so confident because they don't know how dumb they are.

In all fairness, you might be too young to have voted in previous elections, but use a little logic or do a little research, because nobody running for anything is dedicating their campaign to getting the super-informed vote because they actually are smart enough to know where their bread is buttered.
 
Hillary is no better then Trump in the truth game and in fact is more of a political animal then Trump.

She will say anything or do anything to gain her power goals.
 
So this hasn't been true of any other election or any other opinion or issue until just this year, and just with Trump's campaign, and isn't also the case with supporters of every other candidate? Sounds legit, keep that hope and change coming.
You might want to read the article. He addresses this counterpoint.

Otherwise, the link to Trump as an individual is the most tenuous aspect of his political application of the "Dunning-Kruger Effect" he postulates as a psychiatrist.
Hillary is no better then Trump in the truth game and in fact is more of a political animal then Trump.

She will say anything or do anything to gain her power goals.
That's objectively untrue as measured by metrics like Politifact. Trump is by far the most dishonest candidate in my lifetime. He's also pandering worse than any other I've seen except maybe Steve Forbes (pandered to the rich) and Al Sharpton (pandered to the dumbest and most uneducated element among African-Americans).
 
What the fuck are you talking about? You really should at least learn to read before going on about how smart you are. I did not say in my first post that you voted for Obama, and even clarified that in the second post.

Let's refresh what happened here: You posted your little article claiming that Trump has support because voters don't know how stupid they are, to which I asked why this only applies to Trump and not the Obama mania from the last elections, or every other election, including other candidates in this one, to which you got defensive and started telling me how smart you are and that you didn't vote for Obama, as if I ever said you did.

Holy shit, there is nothing worse than a smug retard, and I wish you could understand the irony of this conversation happening on the same page as you posting article about people being so confident because they don't know how dumb they are.

In all fairness, you might be too young to have voted in previous elections, but use a little logic or do a little research, because nobody running for anything is dedicating their campaign to getting the super-informed vote because they actually are smart enough to know where their bread is buttered.

Ahh, yes, a wall of insults entirely in denial of a very-recent statement to the contrary. A Trump supporter you are in essence and expression.

Let us revisit your response to this thread, which I might add did not address a single substantive issue:
"So this hasn't been true of any other election or any other opinion or issue until just this year, and just with Trump's campaign, and isn't also the case with supporters of every other candidate? Sounds legit, keep that hope and change coming."

You see, your last allusion to Obama insinuates that those who are being critical of the fact that you and your demagogue are imbecilic are doing so in a way that is ironic due to support for Barack Obama. Putting aside the complete lack of inference or explanation about how Obama's tenure or his supporters' disposition compare to Trump's prospective train wreck of a presidency or his supporters' lunacy, the logic of your linking of the two suggests that, because a number of uninformed persons comprised a previous movement, a coalition comprised of disproportionately more uninformed persons should be empowered, or at the very least tolerated and ignored.

And, given the reactionary anger present in every American rightist, I am not surprised that you immediately went to using terms derogatory to mentally challenged persons. But, if I were to concede to being a "smug retard," could I then coax you into pooling together your remaining neurons and making but one statement that actually pertains to the study or the Trump candidacy phenomenon?
 
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Hillary is no better then Trump in the truth game and in fact is more of a political animal then Trump.

She will say anything or do anything to gain her power goals.

Perhaps. But that conclusion would have to be arrived upon under the assumption that she is much, much wilier than Trump and thus does not corner herself with blunt statements of non-facts. I agree thta she is "more of a political animal than Trump," but she can in fact appeal to voters with actual facts and logic, even if covenants made through those appeals are not made genuinely. These are two different concepts i.e. falsehoods versus false promises.

In regard to the "say anything or do anything to gain power," I completely agree. In this regard, Trump may be more genuine for all we know, but his appeals to voters are certainly much less fact based and adherence to Trump on a policy basis is thus considerably more ludicrous.
 
You might want to read the article. He addresses this counterpoint.

Otherwise, the link to Trump as an individual is the most tenuous aspect of his political application of the "Dunning-Kruger Effect" he postulates as a psychiatrist.

That's objectively untrue as measured by metrics like Politifact. Trump is by far the most dishonest candidate in my lifetime. He's also pandering worse than any other I've seen except maybe Steve Forbes (pandered to the rich) and Al Sharpton (pandered to the dumbest and most uneducated element among African-Americans).

If you mean in stupid political campaign speeches then I would say you are correct.

If you then compare what Hillary has said and done during her political career she more then makes up for it.
 
Perhaps. But that conclusion would have to be arrived upon under the assumption that she is much, much wilier than Trump and thus does not corner herself with blunt statements of non-facts. I agree thta she is "more of a political animal than Trump," but she can in fact appeal to voters with actual facts and logic, even if covenants made through those appeals are not made genuinely. These are two different concepts i.e. falsehoods versus false promises.

In regard to the "say anything or do anything to gain power," I completely agree. In this regard, Trump may be more genuine for all we know, but his appeals to voters are certainly much less fact based and adherence to Trump on a policy basis is thus considerably more ludicrous.


I believe Trump is so politically uneducated he really believes he can do what he says he wants to.
 
If you mean in stupid political campaign speeches then I would say you are correct.

If you then compare what Hillary has said and done during her political career she more then makes up for it.
Likewise, Hillary has a spotless record as the inheritor and CEO of a 9-digit real estate holding company. Meanwhile, Trump won't even publish his tax returns.

In other words, I don't care about irrelevant observations.
 
Ahh, yes, a wall of insults entirely in denial of a very-recent statement to the contrary. A Trump supporter you are in essence and expression.

Let us revisit your response to this thread, which I might add did not address a single substantive issue:
"So this hasn't been true of any other election or any other opinion or issue until just this year, and just with Trump's campaign, and isn't also the case with supporters of every other candidate? Sounds legit, keep that hope and change coming."

You see, your last allusion to Obama insinuates that those who are being critical of the fact that you and your demagogue are imbecilic are doing so in a way that is ironic due to support for Barack Obama. Putting aside the complete lack of inference or explanation about how Obama's tenure or his supporters' disposition compare to Trump's prospective train wreck of a presidency or his supporters' lunacy, the logic of your linking of the two suggests that, because a number of uninformed persons comprised a previous movement, a coalition comprised of disproportionately more uninformed persons should be empowered, or at the very least tolerated and ignored.

And, given the reactionary anger present in every American rightist, I am not surprised that you immediately went to using terms derogatory to mentally challenged persons. But, if I were to concede to being a "smug retard," could I then coax you into pooling together your remaining neurons and making but one statement that actually pertains to the study or the Trump candidacy phenomenon?
Awesome, so now you're typing like Yoda? Wording your sherdog posts like your professor is going to grade them doesn't make your points any more valid. You just did what you accused me of doing, and assumed I am voting for Trump, which is not true. I also didn't excuse or even deny that the article is true, for the most part. I am saying that it is true, isn't some new development, and has been the case for every candidate in every election to the point that it's not worth mentioning, and certainly isn't unique to Trump or his supporters.

You took that non-partisan, completely innocuous post and went on some tirade of inventing arguments, knocking down straw men and hurling insults, typing like you're going to get your posts published instead of having a casual conversation, trying your best to make yourself feel smart.



From the article you posted:
To be sure, well-informed voters accurately endorsed true statements about economic and social conditions in the U.S.—just as long as those statements agreed with their politics. Conservatives truthfully claimed that the U.S. poverty rate had gone up during the Obama administration; liberals rightfully asserted that the unemployment rate had dropped.

But both groups also endorsed falsehoods agreeable to their politics. Thus, all told, it was the political lean of the fact that mattered much more than its truth-value in determining whether respondents believed it. And endorsing partisan facts both true and false led to perceptions that one was an informed citizen, and then to a greater likelihood of voting

The Dunning Kruger effect has been around since before I went to college and is much more evident on the left, when it comes to politics, because they are the ones claiming intellectual superiority without any experience with the effects of the policies they advocate. Just read your own posts back to yourself. They are completely full of uninformed arrogance and insults and the clear belief that the people who don't agree with your politics are your inferiors. You sound like a college kid who's never had a job or dealt with anyone besides other upper-middle class college kids and trying to type like it's a term paper to make yourself sound smarter than you really are. College kids who don't even pay fucking taxes have such a passionate, "intellectual" view of how much should be paid in taxes and where it should all go.

So far you have criticized me for suggesting that you voted for Obama, which I didn't do, and then did it yourself by assuming I am voting for Trump, which is also untrue. You then mentioned my "wall of insults" and complained about American rightists' insults and anger, though you have so far called those who disagree with you "imbeciles, morons, dumb, stupid, and lunatics". Your posts seem to be mostly projection and hypocrisy.
 
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It's not that people are stupid. Over the last 2 elections not 1 president or candidate has been serious about border security or illegal immigration.

Day 1 trump said wall and talked about the illegals and America lit up.

That Is all america wants, law and order and the enforcing of laws already on the books.

Every illegal in jail currently for rape to murder to dwi to car accidents would have been prevented with a wall and border security.

The american public are not being protected by their government , but watch as the government is aiding and abetting an illegal group.
 
Interesting article, but it's clutching at a 'unique' angle for the sake of it, and being very one-sided in the process.
 

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