Why should submission attempts score points?

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  1. superpunch

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    When you lay on top of someone, you drain their energy, you land some damage to them, etc. You're doing something that's bad for the other guy. That's why it scores points.

    Does a failed armbar hurt the other guy? Does it drain his cardio? I think usually the guy going for subs is wasting more energy. Why should failed submission attempts score points?
     
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    Yes, it hurts a lot and you will feel it the rest of the fight. You will also lose a ton of energy fighting out of it.
     
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    because submissive men laying on the ground think they can fight and UFC is about equality for the weak. It's like participation trophies.
    It's so much deeper than the judging. Gives 3rd world kids a hope of growing up something other than murdered. So they join hugging gyms instead of gangs.
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  4. Hellowhosthat

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    Depends how close to finishing they are, if it's a deep armbar then it should score, if it's someone throwing their legs up and not getting close then it shouldn't.
     
  5. 5 insightful

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    There is no such thing in MMA judging as "scoring points" by offensive techniques. Only whole rounds are scored, according to the rules. So basically your whole question is meaningless.
     
  6. The UFC Brander Collector

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    Because it is a failed attempt
    Like a missed strike should be counted?
     
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    Because people pay to watch it rather than stalling in advantegous positions.
    In terms of strictly scoring criteria, because of agression I guess
     
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    A close attempt is more like a strike that lands but doesn't knock someone out.
     
  10. superpunch

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    To me it's more like a strike that doesn't land.
     
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    Control has to count if you're actually using it though
     
  12. Hellowhosthat

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    If someone is actually in a triangle and gets very close to tapping, how is that similar to a strike completely missing?
     
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    <Huh2>
    Are you intoxicated?
     
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    I reckon it should be like a pinning near fall
     
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    Exactly.
    Failed sub attempts are just the same as strikes that land and don't ko someone, they're not the same as strikes that miss.
     
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    Fuck, you're retarded.
     
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    It's an act of aggression.
     
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    Well, technically nobody really scores. They both start a round with 10 points then one of them gets a mandatory deduction.
     
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  20. EzekielFromMount

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    The first point here is that not all failed subs are equal. Big difference between for example Vitor's armbar attempt on Jones and a half-assed guillotine someone tries as they're getting taken down.

    Sometimes failed joint submissions or chokes can still do damage, but that's hard to score.

    Subs can also take a lot of energy to defend, so they're offensively significant as a way of exhausting the opponent. This is also problematic because the reverse is also common : you can burn out your arms trying to crank a sub and that's tactically an advantage for the defender. A better grappler can and will bait their opponent into doing this, eg Khabibi and Dustin's guillotine.

    Sub attempts from a dominant position that don't compromise your position (choke attempts from the back, Kimura attempts from side control, arm triangles etc) can show dominance and control of the fight. The guy who's doing them is pretty clearly winning and showing that given time they could realistically finish the fight, especially if they maintain the position for a long time. It's hard to defend indefinitely.

    In general this is a pretty nuanced question and there's no universal answer.
     
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