Why Ronda v. Cyborg CANNOT Happen at a Catchweight

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  1. George Jetson

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    A catchweight bout between Ronda and Cyborg at 140 lbs. means the real limit is 141 lbs. cuz it's not a title fight.

    And let's not forget, Cyborg already weighed 144.5 in her last fight (so it's only a drop of 3.5 lbs. to make the 'catchweight').

    But that's not all...

    If Cyborg misses weight by just 2 pounds (an amount so small that the fight usually goes on) she'd weigh 143 lbs. -- which is only 1.5 pounds under her last fight.

    So Cyborg would only have to lose 1.5 lbs. in that scenario.

    Yet Ronda could hardly cancel the fight cuz she'd be under pressure not to cancel to protect Zuffa from losing millions.

    So a 'catchweight' fight means Cyborg can basically fight near her current Invicta weight if she wants to.

    If her technique is as good as her fanboys claim then she should be able to beat Ronda even without a size and strength advantage, right? If she needs to have a major strength advantage to win then it means her technique is shit.

    I still think Ronda would win at 145 lbs. but Cyborg's chances would be greatly increased at the heavier weight. At 135 lbs. Ronda destroys Cyborg like a hot knife thru butter. :p
     
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    Cyborg will have to cut some muscle to make 135. Just depends how badly she wants that fight (at 135.)
     
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    Ronda haters don't give a flying fuck about what weight Cyborg comes in at.. They just want to see Ronda lose, no matter how.

    If Ronda beat Cyborg at 145, there will be several threads about how:
    - it was unfair to make Cyborg cut to 145lbs in the first place, since she is clearly a 170lb fighter
    - that the REAL Cyborg is the juiced Cyborg and that Ronda should be fighting REAL Cyborg and not juice-less shell of Cyborg
    - Cyborg should be allowed to wear brass knuckles to even out the KO power between her and Ronda

    Its easier to just put those fools on ignore than try to reason with them, I know first hand
     
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    Why it can't happen... Ronda is willing to go up in weight for a fight against another woman (that has no true relevance to MMA anymore) but not against Cyborg.
     
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    If Ronda is as good as they say she is, she would take the fight at 145 and crush Cyborg up there on her own turf. Hell, Ronda already fought at 145, so it's not like she couldn't easily make it up there.

    But it's bad business to do that for the UFC, so it wont happen. (But a real champion would go for it)
     
  7. Mike

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    What's in it for anyone but Cyborg to fight at a cw? No new champion if Ronda loses, if she wins it's not that big of a deal, not very many people know who Cyborg is. Ronda can make big bucks continuing to clear out 135 without ever fighting Cyborg, while Cyborg is stuck making peanuts in Invicta unless she fights Ronda.


    Yes, Ronda could go up. Why should she though, where is the upside for her or for the ufc?
     
  8. Mike

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    I guess gsp and jon jones weren't real champions then. Such a silly argument. You don't have to fight outside your natural weightclass to be a "real champion". Cleaning out your own division is more than enough.
     
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    Makes money, would be a fun fight, would stop people calling out Ronda for fighting weak opponents... loads of stuff.
     
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    1. Only a few Cyborg fans on the internet are calling Ronda out



    2. If Cyborg wins it fucks up the entire division. They can't crown her the new champ or do anything with her because they have no 145 division, and they mess up the unbeatable aura Ronda has currently.



    3. People ln here seem delusional that Cyborg is some massive draw. Casual fans don't even know who she is.



    4. They will keep finding girls for Ronda to run through either way. This fight is all risk and no reward for Ronda and the ufc if Cyborg can't make the weight. They aren't going to book a cw to appease the small hardcore Cyborg fanbase. She doesn't have any leverage.
     
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    As far as Cyborg's drawing power..... That's what the UFC hype train is for. Within a week they'd make her out to be the biggest WMMA monster ever (next to Ronda) and everyone would eat it up. So her drawing power is a moot point.

    Anderson did it. If you base it on size, Fedor did it (in terms of fighting people much heavier than him). BJ Penn did it. Couture did it. Hendo did it. Royce did it. Faber did it. Benson Henderson did it. Not to mention countless boxers did it. Etc. Etc. Etc. Etc.

    I'm sure I'm forgetting more people, but the point is, it's not unreasonable to do it. Especially for one big fight. In this case, the biggest fight possible in WMMA. And what's the harm in going outside your comfort zone to show why you're the best? Ronda would fight Carrano at 145 but not Cyborg? Of course, Uncle Dana would never allow it. Bad for business if she loses. (But if she wins, there'd be unlimited hype from it, so it's worth it)

    The other reason is because Ronda talks so much shit, about how she could beat men and beat Cyborg anywhere.... but then she never puts her money where her mouth is. She comes in with excuse after excuse, and then Uncle Dana joins her and together they just make it seem like an outrageous proposition, and her fans eat it up.

    :rolleyes:
     
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    Agreed
     
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    Ronda competed in olympic Judo @ 154lbs, she started he career at 144.

    Cyborg literally almost died trying to make 135.

    Since when do champs have to go down a weight class for super fights???
    everyone wanted to see GSP go up to fight Andy, Andy to go up and fight JJ, JJ to go up and fight Cain, closest you have is Pettis to go down and fight Aldo.

    Never the less this is the only real fight there is in WMMA, i mean ffs how many times do we have to see Ronda beat Miesha?? yet Ronda pulls out every excuse to not fight Cyborg, she's scared of a real fight, and stays in a division filled with cans.
     
  16. Mike

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    Anderson took the fights he liked stylistically, yeah. Fedor fought at HW man, there's lots of size variation at hw and always has been. Yean Randy and bj fought everyone, and I respect them for it. It's not anything you HAVE to do though. Gsp didn't, Jones didn't, Andy never fought the best at lhw, most ufc champs never went up. Don't know why you keep mentioning random shit talking Ronda does like that matters. Lots of fighters do that, Jones did it all the time and has still never fought at hw.



    Why would it be the biggest fight ever btw? Because Cyborgs small contingent of fans claim it would? Cyborg is not a huge draw and not well known to the public. I don't understand how you guys don't see the issue with a cw from a business perspective. If Cyborg wins she steals Rondas hype and then the ufc has no way to monetize that, because they can't make her 135 champ and there aren't enough fighters for a 145 division. Why would they ever do that? The only person that would benefit is Cyborg.



    Ronda and the ufc are already making good money, Cyborg isn't. And Cyborg isn't some monster draw with enough leverage to call the shots and make the ufc assume the risk. In all other superfights the promoter had an upside beyond the fight itself, since both fighters fought in weight classes in the promotion. Again, if cyborg wins and there's no 145 division, there is little upside to mitigate the risk to a marketable champion. It's just common sense from a business perspective, and that's what the ufc cares about, money. Not making the fights every fringe internet fan wants to see.
     
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    So much hyperbole.

    Jones and GSP didn't go out of there way to call someone at a higher weight class a coward and drug abuser. And they didn't have the backing of the CEO calling said person a coward.

    Jones said he would fight Velasquez all the UFC had to do was show him the money.
    GSP never called out Silva or any 185er.
     
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    Oh look another idiot who has no idea wtf he is talking about

    a) Olympic Judo has same day weigh ins, so apologize for using that as an argument
    b) Cyborg started her career at 135, then decided to use roids
    c) Cyborg is not in UFC, champs that fight in super fights are fighting someone who fights in a division that exists, so UFC can benefit from either outcome.. and so far BJ Penn is the only one who has done that.. I guess GSP, Anderson, JJ are all scarred too right?
    d) Ronda offered Cyborg the fight on 3 separate occasions, the only one running is Cyborg
    e) Cyborg has never beaten anyone in top 5, her best win is Coenen, whos is worse than Miesha Tate.. Cyborgs division is far worse than Rondas. At least Rondas opponents actually have winning records

    Cry more
     
  19. Mike

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    Was there a womens 135 lb division in judo? And lol no, no cyborg did not almost die trying to make 135. That literally never happened ever. Stop lying.



    Cyborg has to go down because there is no 145 women's division in the ufc, and she doesn't have the leverage. Ronda does. Cyborg is basically unknown outside of hardcore fans. It's not a superfight when nobody knows who one of the "champions" is.
     
  20. skold

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    And neither does Ronda, she only talks about Cyborg when she asked about her during interviews
     

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