Why not create a "new normal" to prevent other deaths?

[Deleted member 159002]

The differences are irrelevant to my argument. I'm talking about saving lives here. Heart disease kills people. A lot of people. More than any other cause, in fact. What I am proposing is that we take extreme measures to limit this of life. You guys are telling me heart disease isn't contagious...k, I don't care, has nothing to do with what I am talking about.

They're not irrelevant. You're complaining that the measures governments have taken to mitigate the spread of the virus are bad because they reduce people's scope for participation in society. You brought up obesity to suggest that since the government doesn't punish people for gluttony, social distancing measures and face masks are arbitrary. But that's an apples to oranges comparison because a person can enjoy full social participation without getting obese. It's only by a person's choice to stuff oneself that a person becomes obese. With the virus on the other hand, social participation itself emperils people, as opposed to one particular way of enjoying the benefits of society i.e. by choosing to stuff oneself.

 

[Deleted member 159002]

This is true for all car accidents, what's the point of this question? By not fastening the seatbelt i might clog up the traffic?

What "this" is true for all car accidents? Are you claiming accidents where a person is badly injured or killed do not cause worse traffic and the deployment of more government (and private sector medical, if the person is brought to a hospital) resources than accidents where no one is badly injured or killed?

 

[Mr Holmes]

THIS THREAD IS A TROLL JOB. THATS THE ONLY THING YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND HERE.

 

[Wolfbrigade]

Let me get this right, speed thus momentum has no effect on an object attempting to roll up a grade?

Only effect that speed has in this situation is how fast it will happen. Keep digging.

Jack and Joe approach a steep and slick ramp on electric skateboards.

That's a very appropriate example, since you're still a kid. Soon you'll be old enough to learn how to drive and learn about cars n shit.

As they head up the grade Jack will make it further then Joe before losing the energy to continue climbing and rolling backwards.

Holy fuck. It's because the other guy has a higher momentum, thus velocity, so it takes longer to stop him in his tracks. It holds true for every environment you fucking moron, it's no different uphill, downhill, or on perfectly level ground. And speed has nothing to do with it. Speed is not the same as velocity. Velocity and speed are two different things.



Learn the difference you fucking whacko and shut the fuck up. What an embarrassment.

 

[Deleted member 159002]

If you are stretching it out that far, then don't fatties take up more hospital resources?

What do you mean I'm "stretching it"? The guy I responded to brought up seatbelts (and you liked his post), not me.

People having car accidents when they're not wearing seatbelts would cause people to spend more of our time sitting in bumper to bumper traffic. More of our tax dollars would go toward sending police, firefighters, medics, and helicopter pilots to accident sites (taking scarce resources away from other people). Hospital staff would then spend more time treating people in car accidents, increasing wait times for other people.

The guy I responded to tried to frame seatbelt laws as benefiting no one except the person who chooses to wear one. That's complete nonsense.

 

[Wolfbrigade]

What "this" is true for all car accidents? Are you claiming accidents where a person is badly injured or killed do not cause worse traffic and the deployment of more government (and private sector medical, if the person is brought to a hospital) resources than accidents where no one is badly injured or killed?

Are you a retard like the other guy? What is your point? If i die crashing into a tree somewhere desolate, am i causing a traffic jam? What if no one dies, but multiple cars are wrecked on some very popular route? how exactly death in car accident AUTOMATICALLY makes it worse for clogging up the traffic, and government deployment?

(and private sector medical, if the person is brought to a hospital) resources than accidents where no one is badly injured or killed?

lol. why would i bring dead person to a hospital? How a dead person consume more of hospital resources? Are you even thinking?

 

[Deleted member 159002]

Are you a retard like the other guy? What is your point? If i die in crashing into a tree somewhere desolate, am i causing a traffic jam? What if no one dies, but multiple cars are wrecked on some very popular route? how exactly death in car accident AUTOMATICALLY makes it worse for clogging up the traffic, and government deployment?



lol. why would i bring dead person to a hospital? so how a dead person consumes hospital resources more? Are you even thinking?

You said:

Well, if i am not going to fasten my seatbelt, only person harmed by this action is going to be ME. Philosophically this is pretty much 1 to 1 comparison. Ask them about cancelling seatbelt laws. They will go nuts.

That is false. If I have to spend hours more sitting in traffic and hours more in a waiting room the day I'm supposed to have surgery because you were in a bad car accident, then I am harmed by your action. Not just me -- everyone else driving on the road where you crashed and other people waiting to have surgeries performed.

Your claim that you'd be the only one harmed is myopic.

 

[Wolfbrigade]

You said:


That is false. If I have to spend hours more sitting in traffic and hours more in a waiting room the day I'm supposed to have surgery because you were in a bad car accident, then I am harmed by your action. Not just me -- everyone else driving on the road where you crashed and other people waiting to have surgeries performed.

Your claim that you'd be the only one harmed is myopic.

lmaooo, what a retarded reasoning. Then i can extrapolate it even further: You are harming me by pouring water from your faucet. You drinking water means less water for me, so you are harming me.

You are a fucking idiot. You will spend more in the traffic just by the fact there are more cars on the road. So you driving to your surgery is going to cause for someone else to spend more time in the traffic, on his way to his surrgery.

PS

What if i didn't even cause the accident? What if someone else rammed into me, i had no seatbelt and i died. Who prevented you from going to your surgery? Was it my fault because some asshole killed me?

"These fucking homicide victims are just clogging up the justice system!"

 

[shockaholic12]

Only effect that speed has in this situation is how fast it will happen. Keep digging.



That's a very appropriate example, since you're still a kid. Soon you'll be old enough to learn how to drive and learn about cars n shit.



Holy fuck. It's because the other guy has a higher momentum, thus velocity, so it takes longer to stop him in his tracks. It holds true for every environment you fucking moron, it's no different uphill, downhill, or on perfectly level ground. And speed has nothing to do with it. Speed is not the same as velocity. Velocity and speed are two different things.



Learn the difference you fucking whacko and shut the fuck up. What an embarrassment.

You're almost there bud.

1 Mile per hour = 1.60934 kilometers per hour = 0.44704 meters per second (SI base unit). 1 mph = 0.447 04 m/s. 1 Meter per Second: Meters per second is the base unit for measuring velocity or speed in the International System of Units (SI)

You are proposing limiting the velocity or speed of a vehicle and claiming that doesn't limit things like momentum. I've driven crane trucks hauling signs all over Northern NY for years. I'd say there were a few dozen snowy hills I might not have made it up had I been limited to 30 mph approaching them. You seem to think that scenario is not possible. I'm not sure any amount of homeschooling will fix that.

 

[Deleted member 159002]

lmaooo, what a retarded reasoning. Then i can extrapolate it even further: You are harming me by pouring water from your faucet. You drinking water means less water for me, so you are harming me.

You are a fucking idiot. You will spend more in the traffic just by the fact there are more cars on the road. So you driving to your surgery is going to cause for someone else to spend more time in the traffic, on his way to his surrgery.

PS

What if i didn't even cause the accident? What if someone else rammed into me, i had no seatbelt and i died. Who prevented you from going to your surgery? Was it my fault because some asshole killed me?

"These fucking homicide victims are just clogging up the justice system!"

So are you conceding that your claim that not wearing a seatbelt harms more than the individual who chooses not to wear one?

Depending on where you live, water usage absolutely can harm other people. If you live in a very dry area with a short supply of water, and you decide to fill your pool with it, and now people can't shower or do laundry, then you are harming other people.

Your assumption that the notion of water usage harming people is absurd isn't the only reason your argument is bad. The other reason your argument is bad is because water is a basic need. People cannot live without consuming water. Driving without a seatbelt on the other hand meets no need of the human body.

Are you claiming that seatbelt laws increase the number of people who drive? Source? What percent does volume increase as a result of seatbelt laws?

 

[Hadron90]

What do you mean I'm "stretching it"? The guy I responded to brought up seatbelts (and you liked his post), not me.

People having car accidents when they're not wearing seatbelts would cause people to spend more of our time sitting in bumper to bumper traffic. More of our tax dollars would go toward sending police, firefighters, medics, and helicopter pilots to accident sites (taking scarce resources away from other people). Hospital staff would then spend more time treating people in car accidents, increasing wait times for other people.

The guy I responded to tried to frame seatbelt laws as benefiting no one except the person who chooses to wear one. That's complete nonsense.

Because now we are talking about some ancillary effects.
Like I could argue that fat people consume more calories which means more resources are going to animal farming which means increased climate change that effects all of us. Now can we ban fat people?

 

[Hadron90]

Let me get this right, speed thus momentum has no effect on an object attempting to roll up a grade?

In a non-conservative situation such as a car? The relationship is very complicated.

 

[Hadron90]

Maybe I should break out the crayons for homeschool. If I'm approaching a steep grade towing a heavy load and the upcoming traction is poor due to something like snow, the power available to me and thus the speed I carry going up that hill will effect whether I get that load over the grade or on the other hand were going too slow, say only 30 mph, and start spinning the tires and sliding back down it.

How often do you rely on the momentum of your car to get you over a hill? Most people just step on the gas a little more. If you are relying on momentum to do it, you are driving very recklessly.

 

[Deleted member 159002]

Because now we are talking about some ancillary effects.
Like I could argue that fat people consume more calories which means more resources are going to animal farming which means increased climate change that effects all of us. Now can we ban fat people?

That's another apples to oranges comparison. Assuming GHGs cause climate change, CC is the result of many people across the world doing something, something which each of them on an individual level doing wouldn't cause the harm i.e. warmer climate. Car accidents where someone doesn't wear a seatbelt are different. All it takes is one asshole out of 100 not wearing a seatbelt to cause people to spend additional hours in traffic and hospital waiting rooms.

 

[Teppodama]

What about those of us that just want most of you dead? Not enough to do the deed ourselves, but dead none the less?

 

[shockaholic12]

How often do you rely on the momentum of your car to get you over a hill? Most people just step on the gas a little more. If you are relying on momentum to do it, you are driving very recklessly.

Living in LA? Never. Driving large trucks hauling heavy loads across northern new york all winter? Weekly.

Momentum allows you carry over slippery areas while limiting how much you rely on the hitting the gas and praying there's enough friction between your tires and the snow/ice to not spin and send you careening back into traffic. If you aren't relying on momentum in that situation, you are driving very recklessly.

 

[ocfightfan]

I look forward to the inevitable moving of goalposts once we get solid data on working drug, antibody, and vaccine treatments. The left likes this shutdown because they need something, ANYTHING, to stop Trump from getting reelected. Not only that they love socialism and this is as close as it gets.

 

[Wolfbrigade]

I've driven crane trucks hauling signs all over Northern NY for years.

You never drove a truck in your life. Only crane truck u ever interacted with was a plastic toy playing in a sandpit. You don't understand what torque is ffs.

Are you claiming that seatbelt laws increase the number of people who drive? Source? What percent does volume increase as a result of seatbelt laws?

What made you even think i claimed something like that? You have trouble reading.

Anyway, you seem like a moron who thinks that everything harms everybody and there should be a law on everything. Like limiting ones amount of oxygen he can breathe, because breathing oxygen is a basic need and it needs to be regulated. You didn't even address my rebutall of your bullshit, there's no reason why i should continue to argue with you.

 

[TheOneAboveAll3]

Actually - you COULD be the devils advocate and say that leading an unhealthy lifestyle and smoking, or being obese, or whatever leads to you dying of Covid-19. Death rates in healthy people from Covid-19 are very low - it all the unhealthy and old people dying - exactly the same people that heart disease gets?

It is what it is.

 

[TheOneAboveAll3]

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Was this suppose to make me laugh?