Why no BJJ in Olympics?

Eric Castile

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Im not sure if this has been discussed but why do you people think bjj isnt in the Olympics? I mean they have Judo, and TaeKwonDo, Wrestling do not enough countrys practice bjj or...what do you think?
 
I guess I`ll start because The world has caught on to the "World`s Hottest Martial art" I think it would be great to have BJJ in Olympics, A sport dominated by Brazilians has been breaking out all over the world and were seeing great grapplers from the US, Canada,Japan, even Austrilia, all over maybe one day.
 
This topic has been done to death but some of the reasons mentioned were....

Overwhelming dominance in one country.
Co-ed teams can not be found in enough countries
It is too similar to Judo and the IOC thinks Judo is too slow. BJJ is slower!
There is no unified governing body.
Their is no clearly defined set of points, rules, regulation, and dress.

I think the biggest problem is the club feuds. Their are too many influential people in the community who dont get along, let alone make a standard set of rules.
 
A while back When this topic came up before I looked all over the internet for a set of rules that the IOC has outlining the requirements for some type of "application for olympic game status". . . . You know some set of rules outlining what it takes exactly to become an olympic sport.

Never found it
 
This is from the Olympic Charter http://multimedia.olympic.org/pdf/en_report_122.pdf

Sports Programme, Admission of Sports,
Disciplines and Events
The IOC establishes the programme of the Olympic Games, which
only includes Olympic Sports.
88 In force as from 1 September 2004
Chapter 5
The Olympic Games
1 Olympic Sports included in the Programme of the Olympic
Games:
To be included in the programme of the Olympic Games, an
Olympic sport must conform to the following criteria:
1.1 only sports widely practised by men in at least seventyfive
countries and on four continents, and by women in
at least forty countries and on three continents, may be
included in the programme of the Games of the
Olympiad;
1.2 only sports widely practised in at least twenty-five
countries and on three continents may be included in the
programme of the Olympic Winter Games;
1.3 only sports that adopt and implement the World Anti-
Doping Code can be included and remain in the
programme of the Olympic Games;
1.4 sports are admitted to the programme of the Olympic
Games at least seven years before specific Olympic
Games in respect of which no change shall thereafter be
permitted, subject to paragraph 6 below.

Mission and Role of the IFs within the Olympic Movement
1 The mission and role of the IFs within the Olympic
Movement are:
1.1 to establish and enforce, in accordance with the Olympic
spirit, the rules concerning the practice of their respective
sports and to ensure their application;
1.2 to ensure the development of their sports throughout
the world;
1.3 to contribute to the achievement of the goals set out in
the Olympic Charter, in particular by way of the spread
of Olympism and Olympic education;
1.4 to express their opinions on the candidatures for
organising the Olympic Games, in particular as far as the
technical aspects of venues for their respective sports are
concerned;

Chapter 3
The International Federations (IFs)
58 In force as from 1 September 2004
Chapter 3
The International Federations
1.5 to establish their criteria of eligibility for the competitions
of the Olympic Games in conformity with the Olympic
Charter, and to submit these to the IOC for approval;
1.6 to assume the responsibility for the technical control and
direction of their sports at the Olympic Games and at the
Games held under the patronage of the IOC;
1.7 to provide technical assistance in the practical
implementation of the Olympic Solidarity programmes.
2 In addition, the IFs have the right to:
2.1 formulate proposals addressed to the IOC concerning
the Olympic Charter and the Olympic Movement;
2.2 collaborate in the preparation of Olympic Congresses;
2.3 participate, on request from the IOC, in the activities
of the IOC commissions.
In force as from 1 September 2004 59


I don't think that bjj conforms to all the requirements here
 
If Olympic BJJ went the same way as Olympic judo then I'm happy without it.

That being said I think if they were going to do it then something closer to ADCC than the Mundials would be their best bet.
 
we are a lot closer to seeing sub grappling in the olympics than bjj. there has been a whole thread about fila sanctioning sub grappling, that seems to be the first step.
 
BJJ is not popular enough to be in the Olympics. Most people in the US don't even know what it is.
 
Soid said:
BJJ is not popular enough to be in the Olympics. Most people in the US don't even know what it is.

Disagreed.

The majority of people don't know what sports "trampolining", "skeleton", "curling", and "equestrian/dressage" even are.

Let alone the differences between two sports such as "artistic gymnastics" & "rhythmic gymnastics" and "ice dancing" & "figure skating". Yes, they are each their own respective "Sport". :icon_neut

I don't think it should be based on popularity, but if it is, BJJ is much more popular than some of the sports I listed. :icon_surp
 
KillerJollibee said:
Disagreed.

The majority of people don't know what sports "trampolining", "skeleton", "curling", and "equestrian/dressage" even are.

Let alone the differences between two sports such as "artistic gymnastics" & "rhythmic gymnastics" and "ice dancing" & "figure skating". Yes, they are each their own respective "Sport". :icon_neut

I don't think it should be based on popularity, but if it is, BJJ is much more popular than some of the sports I listed. :icon_surp

Not really, BJJ isn't really that well known.
 
The IOC doesn't look at the total numbers of people in the world (if it did India and China could determine which sports were and weren't in the olympics), but at the number of countries in which a sport has a significant following. BJJ is big in a few countries, but nowhere close to enough countries to meet IOC guidelines. It doesn't matter if BJJ is bigger than say curling (actually curling is winter olympics so it has a different criteria than the summer olympics ... and though I don't think curling is anymore a sport than golf is, way more people play it around the world than do BJJ, it's not even close), or trampolining in the US, because the US is only one country. More countries have trampolining competitions than have BJJ competitions ... the IOC is world wide in scope, and BJJ is only seriously practiced in a handful of countries, it's no where close to having the number of competitive countries needed.

If they had BJJ in the olympics, how many countries would have anyone in the top 10 ... probably under 8 countries. You need to have 75 countries with someone in the top 10 for them even to look at you. Though I wonder if they've ever considered going in as a winter olympic sport ... the requirements are less (see the post with the requirements) and they'd have a better shot at it.
 
georgejjr said:
The IOC doesn't look at the total numbers of people in the world (if it did India and China could determine which sports were and weren't in the olympics), but at the number of countries in which a sport has a significant following. BJJ is big in a few countries, but nowhere close to enough countries to meet IOC guidelines. It doesn't matter if BJJ is bigger than say curling (actually curling is winter olympics so it has a different criteria than the summer olympics ... and though I don't think curling is anymore a sport than golf is, way more people play it around the world than do BJJ, it's not even close), or trampolining in the US, because the US is only one country. More countries have trampolining competitions than have BJJ competitions ... the IOC is world wide in scope, and BJJ is only seriously practiced in a handful of countries, it's no where close to having the number of competitive countries needed.

If they had BJJ in the olympics, how many countries would have anyone in the top 10 ... probably under 8 countries. You need to have 75 countries with someone in the top 10 for them even to look at you. Though I wonder if they've ever considered going in as a winter olympic sport ... the requirements are less (see the post with the requirements) and they'd have a better shot at it.

Curling is HUGE in many countries with long Winters. Why isn't golf a sport, it takes a tremendous amout of skill to do well at golf.
 
PhxJudoJujitsu said:
Curling is HUGE in many countries with long Winters. Why isn't golf a sport, it takes a tremendous amout of skill to do well at golf.
Definitely true about curling. Golf isn't a sport because I shot 135 over 18 this weekend ... golf is an exercise in frustration and aggrevation :mad:

And, no, not even a bit of bitterness here :icon_twis

Golf takes huge skill, as does snooker and curling, but not a lot of physical fitness. But that's just my bias over what constitutes a sport as opposed to an activity ... and if you looked up the dictionary definition you'd find that my definition has nothing to do with the accepted definition, and so you can safely ignore it.

Did I mention the 135 over 18?
 
BJJ has been known outside of Brazil for what, 15 years? The IOC moves slowly. I agree that sub grappling or Sambo have a better shot. In any event, I'm not sure that Olympic status means that much. As long as a sport has a recognized world championship, that serves the purpose better than the Olympics, which in many grappling sports is a much weaker version of the WC since only one person can represent a country.
 
georgejjr said:
Definitely true about curling. Golf isn't a sport because I shot 135 over 18 this weekend ... golf is an exercise in frustration and aggrevation :mad:

And, no, not even a bit of bitterness here :icon_twis

Golf takes huge skill, as does snooker and curling, but not a lot of physical fitness. But that's just my bias over what constitutes a sport as opposed to an activity ... and if you looked up the dictionary definition you'd find that my definition has nothing to do with the accepted definition, and so you can safely ignore it.

Did I mention the 135 over 18?

Mark Twain said "golf is a good way to ruin a prefectly good walk" 138, are you new to golf? Here's a tip. Divide the hole by 3. If its a 435 yard par 4 try and hit 145 yard shots. It's easier to manage three medium distant shots. Most people can hit a 7 iron fairly consistently.
 
Well, someone needs to get their ass out there and start a BJJ club in Uganda.
 
politics.

might be just shifted to general submission grappling in future
 
PhxJudoJujitsu said:
Mark Twain said "golf is a good way to ruin a prefectly good walk" 138, are you new to golf? Here's a tip. Divide the hole by 3. If its a 435 yard par 4 try and hit 145 yard shots. It's easier to manage three medium distant shots. Most people can hit a 7 iron fairly consistently.
Fairly new, been playing a few years. I'll give that a try, I tend to try to smash the ball off the tee ... sometimes I get a good shot that puts me near the green, but more often I'm in the bushes (and I swear water and sand traps reach out to grab my shots :icon_cry2 ).

Most of the time its a fun game, but there are days ...
 
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