Why MMA risks becoming a bush league and going back to era where the UFC was regional level

I think the UFC should institute a policy in rankings to count finishes towards rankings.

If someone beats 3 top 10 opponents with 0 finishes, they should not be ranked as highly as someone that beats 3 top 10 opponents and finishes all 3. There's too much emphasis on winning, or rather not losing, even if it means having a 100% decision rate like Evloev.

I've thought about it, and I think Evloev should be denied a title shot until he finishes a fight.
 
octagonation said:
I would rather watch high level rather then watch a bum who is entertaining but gets himself KO´ed every other fight.. No thanks!

That is street fighter level nobody wants it but only people who have crafted the art.

Majority of these fighters get cut from the UFC on 1-4 records
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Ramazan fought 2 bums in Bellator then was gifted this title fight, in which he lost the last 2 rounds so badly that it should have been a draw. He sucks, and if this is what "MMA fans" consider "high level" I'd rather watch 2 carnies throw haymakers at each other than this lay and pray crap.
 
Alpha_T83 said:
I think the UFC should institute a policy in rankings to count finishes towards rankings.

If someone beats 3 top 10 opponents with 0 finishes, they should not be ranked as highly as someone that beats 3 top 10 opponents and finishes all 3. There's too much emphasis on winning, or rather not losing, even if it means having a 100% decision rate like Evloev.

I've thought about it, and I think Evloev should be denied a title shot until he finishes a fight.
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So if you fight really tough opponents and can't finish each other you don't move up as fast as guys like Bo Nickel who don't get tested right away?
 
Whereas most top sport stars retire comfortable, mma fighters need to keep squeezing that juice, poor bastards.
 
Conan the K-9 said:
Go to see the comments on YouTube and you will find out the only ones who want to watch this garbage…
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"Рамазан с победой иди только вперёд"

"Ещё один пояс в копилку Дагестана Рамазан поздровляю тебя с победой брат."

"МашаАллагь Брат Дай Аллах Тебе и Вашей Семье Здоровья Молодец Братишка ты Пушка Брат"

"Дагестан Кавказ вперёд"

"Мой золотой устал пусть у тебя будет всегда все хорошо"

"Always graceful in respect other fighters. Incredible humble my brother Muslims
☪
️ win title in gruesome hardest fight he experienced"

​

"من فلسطين 🇵🇸
✌🏽
غزة
☝🏼
مع أخونا المسلم القوقازي الداغستاني
🤍
"




These are not fans of "fighting".
 
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Tito Tapped said:
So if you fight really tough opponents and can't finish each other you don't move up as fast as guys like Bo Nickel who don't get tested right away?
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This is where the math gets complicated. You need to create a formula that scales ranking points based on the rankings of opponents. So finishing a top 15-20 fighter might be worth as much as a decision win against a top 10 opponent, something like that.

In data science this creates a bit of a chicken and egg problem, but there are iterative approaches to rank and re-rank fighters until the system reaches equilibrium.

In short: You wouldn't get a title shot by finishing a bunch of guys ranked outside of the top 20. You would need to finish fighters inside of the top 10 to get title shots.
 
Jeffery09 said:
There was a recent thread where khabib said MMA orgz won´t sign dagestanis anymore and thought that was interesting.

But lets assume the UFC stops signing them including these from central Asia then the MMA global reach will plummet and honestly nobody wants to watch two country bumpkin Americans who can´t fight go at it.

The UFC only exploded when the internationals came from around the world aka the best talent the world has to offer it became more like a world league where the best fighters take on each other regardless of nationality, When Conor, Khabib, the Europeans, the Nigerians, Ngnanou came along MMA exploded internationally.

If the UFC fails to become a world league where the best fighters go then they will be replaced by an actual world league based on meritocracy.

All sports like NBA, NFL, Soccer, Tennis etc etc have been thru this era but eventually only meritocracy works in the long run because nobody watches or want to waste his time on average athletes but only the creme de la creme..

some are saying if you can promote himself yada yada but the truth is nobody gives a fuk if he can´t fight nobody cares how much someone can sell themselves if he can´t fight and lets not forget this is the art of fighting you can either fight or not if not you don´t belong period. Ppl would rather watch a humble ass dude from Central Asia if he can fight that means he belongs.
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Here is some insight for you.

Out of the current rankings in all the divisions, you have 165 spots + 11 champions, that's 176 ranked fighters. 54 are US based and 122 are international, so you have 70% international fighters. And those numbers go up even more in favor of international when you look at unranked. Furthermore, out of 11 champions only 2 are US based.

So no, what you're talking about isn't happening and wont happen.
 
you know that mma isn't a league, correct?
 
Internationals really came from around the world?

That's some redundant shit, TS.

Also, just because YOU didn't watch before Conor and Khabib does not mean they were the first popular international fighters.
 
UFC is restructured to cater to the worst of the American society, many here the dog, you know who you are. Since your country has crumbled and your culture is dead, I assume it's great money for them, plenty of dupes.

Would they make more money by bringing a bunch of Dagis or Euros? No, no they wouldn't. For 3 reasons:
1st and most important, treat it as an axiom: MMA fans hate MMA. You guys on average do not enjoy them. Most fans just want to feel like they're badass or cool for watching people get fucked up.

2nd reason is the group of people watching MMA has its own culture and its own rules and it's hostile to newcomers.

3rd reason is, due to how the rules and scoring work, the most talented fighters tend to be the ones that exploit those to win. You could try to change the philosophy behind scoring, but it's bound to become a mess in which states have different systems and everything is fucked. Politicians in the US are a special breed of stupid.
 
octagonation said:
Nobody wants to watch two entertaining bums go at it period.

Lets be real here? Peak barca 09-11 people said they were boring as they would choke teams by keeping to much of the ball but everyone saw them because they were the best soccer team of all times.

I used that example to tell you nobody wants to watch an entertaining fight between 2 bums. If you want entertaining fights watch the prelims there is less skill involved and it comes off entertaining as both dudes will likely go for haymakers no technicality involved or tactical plotting
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Tiki-taka Barça was great
 
El Panteron said:
UFC is restructured to cater to the worst of the American society, many here the dog, you know who you are. Since your country has crumbled and your culture is dead, I assume it's great money for them, plenty of dupes.

Would they make more money by bringing a bunch of Dagis or Euros? No, no they wouldn't. For 3 reasons:
1st and most important, treat it as an axiom: MMA fans hate MMA. You guys on average do not enjoy them. Most fans just want to feel like they're badass or cool for watching people get fucked up.

2nd reason is the group of people watching MMA has its own culture and its own rules and it's hostile to newcomers.

3rd reason is, due to how the rules and scoring work, the most talented fighters tend to be the ones that exploit those to win. You could try to change the philosophy behind scoring, but it's bound to become a mess in which states have different systems and everything is fucked. Politicians in the US are a special breed of stupid.
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Italy is a toilet.
 
Alpha_T83 said:
This is where the math gets complicated. You need to create a formula that scales ranking points based on the rankings of opponents. So finishing a top 15-20 fighter might be worth as much as a decision win against a top 10 opponent, something like that.

In data science this creates a bit of a chicken and egg problem, but there are iterative approaches to rank and re-rank fighters until the system reaches equilibrium.

In short: You wouldn't get a title shot by finishing a bunch of guys ranked outside of the top 20. You would need to finish fighters inside of the top 10 to get title shots.
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Elo for MMA has floated around as an idea before but I don't agree with the premise that finishes are a prerequisite.

We have to remember that rankings were a suggestion by Fox. They needed a way to hype casual fans about fighters they've never heard of, from countries they couldn't find on a map.

It's probably best that it has no bearing on actual matchmaking decisions.
 
Tito Tapped said:
Elo for MMA has floated around as an idea before but I don't agree with the premise that finishes are a prerequisite.

We have to remember that rankings were a suggestion by Fox. They needed a way to hype casual fans about fighters they've never heard of, from countries they couldn't find on a map.

It's probably best that it has no bearing on actual matchmaking decisions.
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I don't follow chess so might be writing some bullshit, but aren't there way too few MMA fights for ELO?
 
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