Alot of people have bashed chuck's tech and alot of people have questioned how world class fighters are consistently caught and many times koed by a guy who's strikes can be described as sloppy..telegraphed...and wide. Well i am going to give my tech explanation in boxing terms and how it applies to the mma world.
1) Chuck throws punches that are unconventional, it's not just that he throws a looping shot; it's that he throws them from obscene/angles or positions. Anyone can be prepared for the textbook hook, or overhand right or looping right that comes only when the person throwing it is in position; many times you can check ur opp feet and his body positioning to predict when and where he will punch. Chuck works outside of that realm or striking therefore he is not as easy to read, because he will not wait til the position or angle is perfect (in orthodox terms). Meaning u can't really check him or feint him. Example he will throw huge looping shots that open him up to the clinch or the shoot; but his takedown is such that he can counter, meaning u can't hold him in check w/the fear of being brought down...meaning he can walk u down and tee off on u. Cus he is not afraid of being taken down..an since most people don't realy have good power or strikes, without the fear of takedowns he can pick them apart. Sidenote: Chonan used a good chin and the fear of the takedown/ground work to last w/silva; due to the fact silva was afraid of being put down and/or subbed he picked his shots instead of walking through chonan. As a result chonan had opp to counter and potshot silva..because silva was too respectiful of his groundwork.
2)Most people don't know how to stay in or out; against someone like chuck u need to stay all the way in or all the way out, if u are in the mid range coming in..chuck will shorten the hook and catch u coming in. (ask randleman) If u are in mid range and pulling out..chuck will extend the hook and catch u going back. (ask busta). Since most mma fighters don't really work striking like they do grappling they are pretty helter skelter and don't have the skills to eff fight in or out, meaning they are in and out of both doing no damage in neither and eventually getting picked off by chuck. The people who beat chuck or really tested him were able to fight inside or out; randy stayed in the pocket and walked chuck down w/a jab before clinching and working the hooks and uppercuts. Tito could have done it to..buit he is scared to get hit and can't commit to being in the middle of the storm. Rampage beat him from the outside and worked his way in..by using combination punching and pressure to open chuck up then take him down and pound him out; now rampage did not out box him, but when at arms length he stepped in and punched his way in keeping a high rate, w/a variety of shots. Mezger did the same thing..stayed on his toes he circled and picked his shots...set them up and mixed shots to the head and body; for most of the fight he did not let chuck apply his pressure and walk him down. He stayed mobile and kept his hands moving...
3) Most guys are afraid to get hit...u can't eff land on someone if u are soo scared of being hit; that just opens u up more cus u are trying to outhink someone in a realm of fighting u just aren't that good at. I mentioned this to one of the guys on maxfighting and he mentioned it to randy and randy agreed; people stay on their back foot, they can't get any power on their shots and when they do land a)it does not do sh*t and b) they can't follow up cus they would have to overextend (cus they are out of range) and end up missing and being countered. It happened to busta and to babalu. U can't even shoot on chuck as much cus u are on ur back foot, he is hard enough to pull down w/a good shot and dmn near impossible w/a bad telegraphed one of ur back foot. All randy did was stay off his back foot and apply steady pressure..not being scared to be hit/countered... U have to respect the power...be aware of it..not be fearful.
4) Chuck has a good chin/timing/power; when u have the attributes chuck has u can get away w/some of the flaws...if and when he gets hit he can take it..meaning he keeps coming. An it also makes it easier to counter, once u land i know where u are and what position u are in, if i can take it i can fire right back and catch u; people don't often get koed being def..u always get koed attempting to establish some sort of off. This also goes well w/his power...power changes everything if chuck had mezger's power he would and could not win like he does...he would not be able to hurt people and they would not be afraid to step in and bring it to him.
these are the four reason i think liddel's strikes work well..they either explain it from his end or from his opp. Let's review.
Win_ babalu...renato was fighting backing up throwing strikes and looking for the takedown, in stepping back chuck caught him on his back foot hurt him and put him down and then put him out.
win_ randleman tried to stay inside, when chuck spun off the fence..kevin got caught in between..instead of getting right back in chuck's chest he was in that mid range and koed.
win_busta..busta was on his back foot all fight long, not able to sit on his shots or follow up w/a combo and was not able to eff work the takedown due to positioning
win_mezger able to counter mezger when guy gassed and got caught in between trying to move out, instead of staying outside.
win_belfort able to stay outside and potshot; unable to explode as he usually does due to a fear of chuck's power....was hesitant and thought to much and was on his back foot when he got caught and dropped
loss_ couture..worked in behind jab, was not afraid to be hit or countered..worked way all the way in clinched kept high/tight guard stayed off back foot.. put chuck on his backfoot
loss rampage worked from arms length threw combinations and walked in not fearing the ciunter and was able to keep chuck off balance and make him second guess instead of countering or initiating exchanges..kept chuck on his back foot
1) Chuck throws punches that are unconventional, it's not just that he throws a looping shot; it's that he throws them from obscene/angles or positions. Anyone can be prepared for the textbook hook, or overhand right or looping right that comes only when the person throwing it is in position; many times you can check ur opp feet and his body positioning to predict when and where he will punch. Chuck works outside of that realm or striking therefore he is not as easy to read, because he will not wait til the position or angle is perfect (in orthodox terms). Meaning u can't really check him or feint him. Example he will throw huge looping shots that open him up to the clinch or the shoot; but his takedown is such that he can counter, meaning u can't hold him in check w/the fear of being brought down...meaning he can walk u down and tee off on u. Cus he is not afraid of being taken down..an since most people don't realy have good power or strikes, without the fear of takedowns he can pick them apart. Sidenote: Chonan used a good chin and the fear of the takedown/ground work to last w/silva; due to the fact silva was afraid of being put down and/or subbed he picked his shots instead of walking through chonan. As a result chonan had opp to counter and potshot silva..because silva was too respectiful of his groundwork.
2)Most people don't know how to stay in or out; against someone like chuck u need to stay all the way in or all the way out, if u are in the mid range coming in..chuck will shorten the hook and catch u coming in. (ask randleman) If u are in mid range and pulling out..chuck will extend the hook and catch u going back. (ask busta). Since most mma fighters don't really work striking like they do grappling they are pretty helter skelter and don't have the skills to eff fight in or out, meaning they are in and out of both doing no damage in neither and eventually getting picked off by chuck. The people who beat chuck or really tested him were able to fight inside or out; randy stayed in the pocket and walked chuck down w/a jab before clinching and working the hooks and uppercuts. Tito could have done it to..buit he is scared to get hit and can't commit to being in the middle of the storm. Rampage beat him from the outside and worked his way in..by using combination punching and pressure to open chuck up then take him down and pound him out; now rampage did not out box him, but when at arms length he stepped in and punched his way in keeping a high rate, w/a variety of shots. Mezger did the same thing..stayed on his toes he circled and picked his shots...set them up and mixed shots to the head and body; for most of the fight he did not let chuck apply his pressure and walk him down. He stayed mobile and kept his hands moving...
3) Most guys are afraid to get hit...u can't eff land on someone if u are soo scared of being hit; that just opens u up more cus u are trying to outhink someone in a realm of fighting u just aren't that good at. I mentioned this to one of the guys on maxfighting and he mentioned it to randy and randy agreed; people stay on their back foot, they can't get any power on their shots and when they do land a)it does not do sh*t and b) they can't follow up cus they would have to overextend (cus they are out of range) and end up missing and being countered. It happened to busta and to babalu. U can't even shoot on chuck as much cus u are on ur back foot, he is hard enough to pull down w/a good shot and dmn near impossible w/a bad telegraphed one of ur back foot. All randy did was stay off his back foot and apply steady pressure..not being scared to be hit/countered... U have to respect the power...be aware of it..not be fearful.
4) Chuck has a good chin/timing/power; when u have the attributes chuck has u can get away w/some of the flaws...if and when he gets hit he can take it..meaning he keeps coming. An it also makes it easier to counter, once u land i know where u are and what position u are in, if i can take it i can fire right back and catch u; people don't often get koed being def..u always get koed attempting to establish some sort of off. This also goes well w/his power...power changes everything if chuck had mezger's power he would and could not win like he does...he would not be able to hurt people and they would not be afraid to step in and bring it to him.
these are the four reason i think liddel's strikes work well..they either explain it from his end or from his opp. Let's review.
Win_ babalu...renato was fighting backing up throwing strikes and looking for the takedown, in stepping back chuck caught him on his back foot hurt him and put him down and then put him out.
win_ randleman tried to stay inside, when chuck spun off the fence..kevin got caught in between..instead of getting right back in chuck's chest he was in that mid range and koed.
win_busta..busta was on his back foot all fight long, not able to sit on his shots or follow up w/a combo and was not able to eff work the takedown due to positioning
win_mezger able to counter mezger when guy gassed and got caught in between trying to move out, instead of staying outside.
win_belfort able to stay outside and potshot; unable to explode as he usually does due to a fear of chuck's power....was hesitant and thought to much and was on his back foot when he got caught and dropped
loss_ couture..worked in behind jab, was not afraid to be hit or countered..worked way all the way in clinched kept high/tight guard stayed off back foot.. put chuck on his backfoot
loss rampage worked from arms length threw combinations and walked in not fearing the ciunter and was able to keep chuck off balance and make him second guess instead of countering or initiating exchanges..kept chuck on his back foot